If Armageddon comes and Jehovah kills you apostates

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  • defd
    defd


    Honesty look how old that issue is. You well know that, understand has changed on many things. The cross, christmas, smoking and so on. Show me a RECENT article please.

    w54 9/15 575 Questions from Readers ***

    When “this system of things” is brought to an end at Armageddon, then persons can no longer be children of it. Consequently, those who were once children of this system of things but who died cannot be children of it if they come up in a resurrection. Only by a resurrection can any of the dead enter into the new world, “that system of things.” Having been counted worthy of a resurrection from the dead they will neither marry nor be given in marriage, as Jesus said. In this respect they will be like the angels, who do not marry and procreate their kind.—Matt. 22:30; Mark 12:25. *** Mark 12:25 ***

  • JH
    JH
    I honestly do not think that JWS teach that. I am not aware of it. If I am mistaken, please show me in an article where it says that.

    I remember it clearly being preached from the podium. Go ask an elder (old enough that remembers this) just incase it flip flopped...

  • Finally-Free
    Finally-Free

    My last words would be "Buh Bye".

    W

  • aniron
    aniron

    Is this a bit more recent for you?

    *** w87 6/1 30-1 Questions From Readers ***Questions From Readers

    Is it wise for a Christian whose mate has died to remain single in the hope of being reunited in the future?

    How fine it is that a Christian should feel love for his or her mate even after that one has died! Some in this situation have remained single, not because of being content with singleness, but in hopes of resuming the marriage after the resurrection. While not being insensitive to the human feelings behind those hopes, we encourage such ones to consider some Biblical points.

    For instance, bearing on the matter are the apostle Paul’s words: “A wife is bound during all the time her husband is alive. But if her husband should fall asleep in death, she is free to be married to whom she wants, only in the Lord. But she is happier if she remains as she is.” (1 Corinthians 7:39, 40) This shows that the marital bond ends when one’s mate dies. It was a kindness for God to inform Christians of this, for thus widows and widowers can weigh their emotional and other needs in deciding whether to remarry; they are not bound to the deceased.—1 Corinthians 7:8, 9.

    Does the Bible, though, indicate whether resurrected ones will be able to marry or to resume a previous marriage that was ended by a death? One account seems to bear on this question. It involved Sadducees who, while not even believing in the resurrection, came to Jesus trying to entrap him. They presented this problem involving brother-in-law marriage: “There were seven brothers; and the first took a wife and died childless. So the second, and the third took her. Likewise even the seven: they did not leave children behind, but died off. Lastly, the woman also died. Consequently, in the resurrection, of which one of them does she become the wife?”—Luke 20:27-33; Matthew 22:23-28.

    Christians are not under the Law, but a similar difficulty could be raised concerning them. For example: Brother and Sister C—— were married and had two children. Then he died. Sister C—— loved and deeply missed him, but she felt a need for companionship, financial support, sexual expression, and help with the children. So she married Brother M——, which union was as Scriptural as the first. Later he became ill and died. If the former mates were resurrected and marriage were possible, whom might she marry?

    Consider Jesus’ response to the Sadducees: “The children of this system of things marry and are given in marriage, but those who have been counted worthy of gaining that system of things and the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage. In fact, neither can they die anymore, for they are like the angels, and they are God’s children by being children of the resurrection. But that the dead are raised up even Moses disclosed . . . when he calls Jehovah ‘the God of Abraham and God of Isaac and God of Jacob.’ He is a God, not of the dead, but of the living, for they are all living to him.”—Luke 20:34-38; Matthew 22:29-32.

    Some have felt that Jesus was here referring to the heavenly resurrection, yet there are reasons to believe that his reply was about the earthly resurrection in the coming “system of things.” What reasons underlie this view? Those questioning Jesus did not believe in him or know about a heavenly resurrection. They asked about a Jewish family under the Law. In reply Jesus referred to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, men who hoped for life again on earth. (Genesis 42:38; Job 14:13-15; compare Hebrews 11:19.) Those patriarchs, and millions of others, who are raised on earth and who prove faithful will be “like the angels.” Though mortal, they will not die once God has declared them righteous for endless life.

    Human emotions today might make this a difficult conclusion to accept. But it is to be noted that nowhere does the Bible say that God’s resurrecting the faithful means restoring their marital status. Hence, no one believes that if Aquila and Priscilla have gained life in heaven, they have resumed their marriage. (Acts 18:2) And Joseph and Mary will evidently live in different realms—he on earth and she in heaven. (John 19:26; Acts 1:13, 14) Since none of us have lived in heaven, we cannot say what feelings Aquila, Priscilla, and Mary might have there, yet we can be sure of their finding full contentment in their heavenly service.

    Similarly, we have never lived as perfect humans. Thus we cannot be sure how we will feel about past relationships if and when we gain perfect human life in a paradise. It is good for us to remember that when Jesus made that statement he was a perfect human and therefore in a better position than we to appreciate the feelings of those who are “counted worthy of gaining that system of things.” We can also trust that Jesus is able to ‘sympathize with our present weaknesses.’ (Hebrews 4:15) So if a Christian finds it hard to accept the conclusion that resurrected ones will not marry, he can be sure that God and Christ are understanding. And he can simply wait to see what occurs.

    There is no reason now to overemphasize this matter. The psalmist wrote: “Know that Jehovah is God. It is he that has made us, and not we ourselves. We are his people and the sheep of his pasturage . . . Give thanks to him, bless his name. For Jehovah is good.” (Psalm 100:3-5) Our good God will certainly provide amply for our true needs if we are “counted worthy of gaining that system of things.”—Job 34:10-12; Psalm 104:28; 107:9.

    God’s goodness is reflected also in his informing us that the death of a mate concludes the marriage. (Romans 7:2) Thus anyone who has lost a mate can know that he or she is free to remarry now if that seems needed or best. Some have remarried, thereby helping to fill their own present needs and those of their family. (1 Corinthians 7:36-38; Ephesians 6:1-4) Consequently, a Christian whose mate has died should not feel obliged to remain mateless now out of an expectation that former marriage mates will be reunited in the resurrection to life here on earth in the coming system.

  • Honesty
    Honesty
    Show mw a RECENT article please. defd

    I really wish I could but that's it as far as I am aware of.

    When Dan Sydlik made the announcement at the DC that Jeremiah would not be married and will not marry after he is resurrected and if any in the audience who had a spouse that died before Armageddon thought that they would be still married or able to remarry their spouse they were wrong you could have heard a pin drop in Thompson-Boling Arena (University of TN campus). It really shocked most of the 13,000 in attendance. Especially a lot of my dear friends who had lost their spouses in death after being JW's for many years. One of the sisters just broke down crying when I went to see her with another brother on the Servant Body a few weeks after the DC. Another sister kept saying over and over and over, "But, William and I were looking forward to spending eternity together and having the children we didn't have in this system." Both of these dear friends passed away believing that they would never be united with their spouses as husband and wife. Needless to say, I didn't remain on the Servant Body long after that revelation from the Faithful Discreet Slave.

  • defd
    defd

    Aniron

    Thanxs but i knew that. What we were talking about was Having sex and having children in the New System. Someone said we would not be.

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost
    When Dan Sydlik made the announcement at the DC that Jeremiah would not be married and will not marry after he is resurrected

    Okay for Dan to say that, eh? He sure made sure he didn't miss out, didn't he? !!

  • cruzanheart
    cruzanheart

    Thanks for the memories!

    Nina

  • Honesty
    Honesty
    Thanks for the memories! Nina

    Yeah, Nina. It brought back some very painful memories of how the older sisters reacted about those 'delightful, correct words of truth' from the kind brother on the Governing Body.

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    Thank you. 1987 is the article I was referring to. Defd, you have to admit, that belief is totally over-the-top bizarre. I remember thinking at the time how thankful I was they published that so I could be even more sure I didn't want to live forever in the JW New System.

    Thus we cannot be sure how we will feel about past relationships if and when we gain perfect human life in a paradise....So if a Christian finds it hard to accept the conclusion that resurrected ones will not marry, he can be sure that God and Christ are understanding. And he can simply wait to see what occurs. ...Th ere is no reason now to overemphasize this matter.

    Those statements (quoted in full compliance with US copyright law ) represent a true attempt at rationalizing and softening the wierd/unappealing message just delivered. "You are sentenced to live forever in paradise but you will never have sex or romance....but don't think about it too much ... God understands how you feel....though you are still SOL so suck it up."

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