Thoughts on forgivness...Is there a process?

by Sparkplug 80 Replies latest social relationships

  • Robdar
    Robdar

    Well, so far I haven't noticed you growing long ears and hoofs. I am sure I would notice something like that.

    Hey, a question for you:

    What if we are not really physical beings trying to evolve to a spiritual realm but, rather, we are spiritual beings trying to evolve to a physical realm?

  • JamesThomas
    JamesThomas
    Well, so far I haven't noticed you growing long ears and hoofs. I am sure I would notice something like that.

    It's not the ears, you'd have to see me naked.

    What if we are not really physical beings trying to evolve to a spiritual realm but, rather, we are spiritual beings trying to evolve to a physical realm?

    Actually, my sense is that there is no evolution in any direction. We already are. The Consciousness sparkling within those eyes just needs see through what it believes itself to be, to what it truly IS and always has been.

    j

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    I've spent a good part of my twenty years as a Christian pondering what forgiveness means. Having lived under the thumb of an abuser, I am painfully aware how the concept of forgiveness can be used as an excuse for abuse. Here's the between-the-lines pattern of the abuser.

    "I'm sorry, so very sorry I got caught"

    "Please, please, you MUST forgive forget. That's what Christians suckers do. So I can my repeat my behavior without consequences."

    I believe for there to be full forgiveness, there must be an attempt at restitution by the injuring party. No restitution, no requirement to forgive. Also, I don't think forgiving means forgetting. I will never again inhabit the same room as my ex-husband. On the other hand, he is no longer the monster of my nightmares. He is a shell of his former self, unable forge a future. I got the better half; responsibility, parenthood, and family. So I bear him no ill will, I do not dream of his death. He's living the hell of his choices every day.

    Perhaps we would do well to adopt the Jewish concept of repentance, which includes recognition of one's sins, remorse, desisting from repeating it, restitution where possible, and confession. From the linked article:

    "Desisting from sin" is neither a moral-intellectual analysis nor a feeling; it is an action. It is a ceasing from sin, a desisting from the patterns of sinful action to which we have become addicted. Desisting from sin involves actually stopping the sinful action, consciously repressing thoughts and fantasies about the sinful activity, and making a firm commitment never to commit the sinful act again.

    "Restitution" is the act of making good, as best one can, for any damage done. If one has stolen, one must return the object or pay compensation. If one has damaged another's reputation, one must attempt to correct the injury to the offended party.

  • horrible life
    horrible life

    Part of my story. I will try to make it short.

    Worked for a wonderful Dentist #1 for 12 years. He sold the practice to Dr. #2. Dr #1 continued to work. I never got along with Dr 2. I felt his dentistry sucked. He got rid or ran off all of the employees. Hired people that I consider low lifes. You can just tell that the office didn't sparkle anymore. Bad hair, unironed clothes, not smiling etc. Nobody helping anybody. "Not my job description". I kept reminding myself that my name wasn't on the door.

    For 3 years, I was unhappy. I hated going to work. I would cuss when I saw the parking lot looming in the distance. But I drove 1 mile, go home for lunch, and earned a pot-load of money. And I literally loved my patients. My first smile of the day, was when I called back my first patient. I loved my work, but not my job.

    So, after 1 year with him, I am warned about my Attitude. So for the next 2 years with him, I smile. I smile so much my GD cheeks hurt. Then two of "his girls" start giving me the cold shoulder, after being "friends" for no reason. So I start just working, and going home. Screw everybody else.

    Within a couple of months, somebody comes in applying for a job. Qualified.

    I'm fired 3 days after Christmas.

    I am mad as hell. I am still mad as hell. I want to hurt him in some way. I even asked Gently Feral if she can give him Carpal Tunnel syndrome.

    He rides a Harley, without a helmet. Oh, what if.......

    I have only confided this in one other person, before tonight. But this Damn thread keeps popping up. I have not read it because of the title, and the only other person, told me that I should pray for him. I JUST CAN'T BRING MYSELF TO DO THAT. I may pray for something to happen TO him.

    So do I read through this thread?

    OH, wait, I did ask one of the posters about a fish mailing thing. I just think if I could just do something to him, I would feel better. Key his car, kill his tree, the carpal tunnel thing, I've never in my life done anything bad to anyone. But I feel it soooooo strong, sometimes I can't sleep, thinking of things I could do.

    Is anybody reading this? Could I get in trouble for just thinking about wanting bad things to happen to a person? It's not like I want a hit out on him or anything. I just want to ...... I don't know.

    When he got his hinchman to call me at home, to fire me.on Christmas vacation. I told him I would be right there to get my stuff. He called in another employee to help me. I didn't say anything, other than that I was a damn good worker. Good Bye.

    So do I send him a dead fish, but dufus would probably open it, instead of him. Or do I read this thread.

    HELLO!!!!!!! Is anybody reading this????? I have never written anything this long here before. I usually just post and run. I feel like I am screaming this. I can't even talk to my husband. He says what goes around comes around. He would not understand me wanting vengence. And no he never was a JW. Just a nice guy.

    I'll stop now HL

  • JamesThomas
    JamesThomas


    H.L., how do you feel when you rehash the thoughts and memories of the above situation? If there was no mental return to the disagreeable past, what then?

    j

  • horrible life
    horrible life

    As I wrote it, I was mad. As I finished it, I had started to cry. I posted a happy birthday to TresHappy, went to get a drink of water, and broke down crying. Hell I don't know how I feel.

  • horrible life
    horrible life
    If there was no mental return to the disagreeable past, what then

    James, will you please reword this? I know I should understand it, but I can't right now

  • JamesThomas
    JamesThomas

    Unfair and unfortunate situations happen in life, and it can be important to see how often times it is our own thoughts rehashing those unchangeble happening which cause us suffering. We do have the power to change the way we think, or don't think.

    j

  • horrible life
    horrible life

    I can tell you are a very wise man. You have said so very much in just 2 sentences.

    I just erased several reasons why it is so hard. I will try. HL

  • JamesThomas
    JamesThomas

    It sounds easy but it can be difficult. Before we know it we are drowning in the fiery hell of the mind. The key is to practice being present in the moment and watching the mind. Then, when the mind starts running old disagreeable tapes we can catch it quickly and steer it into other thoughts, or to just being silent as we feel the life in and around us.

    Good Luck.

    j

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