Kismet,
Don't worry about Kent. He was announce brain dead when he was born.
Kent's Tabloid Journalism = lies??
by Kismet 48 Replies latest jw friends
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Prisca
Kismet,
I appreciate your voice of logic and reason here.
It is a shame that kent is so full of bitterness and hate for the WTS that he fails to see exactly who he is fighting, and for what cause he is fighting.
I find these tabloid-style posts of his damaging to his and everyone else's credibility. We need to stick to facts, and report such things in a reasonable manner, so that ex-witnesses can't be attacked for quoting mis-truths, or promoting lies.
Kent - I like you as a person and I admire the work that you've done. But please don't discredit yourself, or the work of others, by allowing your bitterness over-ride the message you are sending. Even if you don't mean to, you are coming across as one angry and bitter man. Don't give in to those feelings, they will only eat you up.
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Mazza
Hi Johnl, There is a part of me that worries about the sometimes sensational headers and information that Kent presents - I suppose it puts a few off. The 'delicate flowers' out there. I certainly hate to think it puts off those who are ready to learn and change, such as Waiting mentioned. But for the most part I'm glad of the level playing field on the net and I tend to have a simplistic view of things. If people are ready to come out, they wil,l regardless of the OTT sites. All the logical, rational approaches and facts, aren't worth diddly squot unless people are ready to think.
I suppose I just love Kent. I admire him greatly. In every walk of life we have our eccentrics, and Kent is ours. I remember Kents first comments to us when we got on the net in 96' - he has a magical sense of humor and he's deeply compassionate at times. I do not have his drive to fight the WT but I'm really thankful of those who do. For what it's worth, I think Kent will take note of your post. I'm sure he doesn't mind being reeled in accasionally.
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Kismet
Hey Mazza:
Interesting thoughts. I'd like to ask however that you edit out the name at the beginning of your post. Thanks.
Kismet
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Kent
Dear Prisca
It is a shame that kent is so full of bitterness and hate for the WTS that he fails to see exactly who he is fighting, and for what cause he is fighting.
You should be careful eating mushrooms, especcially if you're not an expert. Some of these will make you hallucinate, and it seems you just ate some questionable ones. Your statement: "kent is so full of bitterness and hate" is really humorous, and shows to the world you don't know me one bit.
On this board, dear Prisca, there is a lot of people that knew me a long time before you knew I even existed, and I'm pretty sure they are shaking their heads at your misapprehension of real life. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them could say: "Prisca, nice woman but tres dumb" - because your statement is utter stupidity.
Why should I be bitter? It's no use for me telling you I'm not - since you for some reason don't have the capability to understand what I'm talking about anyway - but your claim is laughable. Contrary to lots of people here, I haven't invested any personal pride in this, and as a result, I'm not afraid of being ridiculed, laughed at, or misunderstood.
When you say I "fails to see exactly who he is fighting, and for what cause he is fighting" - it's even more funny. As I said, I've been out there for years, and I know exactly who and what I'm fighting. Stupidity, however, isn't one of these things - so you're safe. But it's sad when someone can't see the forrest because of the trees!
I find these tabloid-style posts of his damaging to his and everyone else's credibility.
Oh my, oh my! We're lucky you're not representative for the rest of the people around, aren't we? When I post a newspaper article from some paper, that damages your credability? I'm afraid said credability has to be close to non existant if that's all it takes!
Honestly, my dear, I don't care if you find this to be a "fact" in your mind. Randy made me cough coffee all over my keyboard when I read his "psychoanalysis" of me a while back, because I didn't really believe he knew me THAT well, but he obviously did. Contrary to you.
Keep on with your "style", my dear (whatever that is), and keep on complaining about me. Frankly my damn, I don't give a dear.
We need to stick to facts, and report such things in a reasonable manner, so that ex-witnesses can't be attacked for quoting mis-truths, or promoting lies.
Your ideas about my style are OK, but here you accuse me of lying, representing mis-truths, and generally being interested in doing so to suit my own alleged "hatred" and "bitterness".
If you want me to EVER respect you again, you better prove your accusations, my dear! If you don't, it's OK with me, but I will put you into the box of the ones I laugh at, and have no respect for. The ones real stupid.
Kent - I like you as a person and I admire the work that you've done.
So, you admire "spreading lies" - do you? Well, I don't - and I find the tactics of first affronting me, then trying to soften the insults by torrent of words - interesting. Because you keep on insulting me by these words:
But please don't discredit yourself, or the work of others, by allowing your bitterness over-ride the message you are sending. Even if you don't mean to, you are coming across as one angry and bitter man. Don't give in to those feelings, they will only eat you up.
Please explain to me what work of others you are driving at. Your drivel about my bitterness is simply too stupid to be taken seriously, and as I said - I will ask you to be careful with the mushrooms. The way I come across to you tells me you're either under influence of some wild substances - or you're just plain stupid.
Yakki Da
Kent
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Prisca
Thanks for resting my case. You obviously can't see yourself as how others see you, and if you can't handle it when someone tells you how you are coming across to others, then that is really sad!!!
And if you want an example of Kent's promotion of lies and allegations based on nothing, just have a look at his pathetic attempts in his thread alleging that teejay is a JW in "good standing". Yawn.....
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JanH
Prisca,
I've known Kent for years. Anyone who spend as much as 10 minutes with him in RL would laugh their asses of at anyone describing him as "bitter." Given your fantastic lack of perception of other people's personalities, why should anyone care how you see them?
Talking of bitter, btw: You have posted an enormous amount of messages on this board. Half of them seems to be whining about how others behave. The other half seems to be "please somebody shag me!" I don't know if you realize that it's quite possible to perceive you as a very bitter person, for pretty obvious reasons. Is it true that you are "bitter"? I don't know. I only know some parts of your online persona, and I'm at least intelligent enough to realize you can't evaluate a person's makeup based on some messages on a discussion board. You have yet to learn that lesson.
Another lesson you have not learned, is trying to deal with facts and arguments instead of personal attacks. Kismet is incapable of logic, and, as we have seen, so are you. I guess that's why personal attacks is the only option open to you? Sad.
- Jan
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Prisca
Jan,
I am speaking from my experience in reading Kent's posts over the years on this and other DBs.
You said:
Given your fantastic lack of perception of other people's personalities, why should anyone care how you see them?
This is quite a statement. Care to substanciate it with any facts?
You have posted an enormous amount of messages on this board. Half of them seems to be whining about how others behave.
I'm impressed Jan! I joined this DB long before you did, so are you saying you've read every single post of mine? Quite a feat! By the way, care to provide your statistics to prove that 50% of my posts are "whining" about others?
It seems you and Kent "whine" about the JWs more than anything. I am yet to see a post from you on how to live a positive life after being a JW. Care to share any of your secrets, Jan?
The other half seems to be "please somebody shag me!"
I literally laughed out loud at this. Oh come on! Again, got any proof??? Nah, didn't think so. Typical case of, if you can't provide any logical argumentation, insult them! That's a sad characteristic of yours, Jan!
Another lesson you have not learned, is trying to deal with facts and arguments instead of personal attacks.
Pot calling the kettle black, Jan!
Kismet is incapable of logic, and, as we have seen, so are you.
Again, lack of proof and resorting to personal attacks. But Jan, I know not to expect anything different from you.
I guess that's why personal attacks is the only option open to you? Sad.
Sigh.... looked in a mirror lately Jan?
Is it true that you are "bitter"?
Nah, not in the slightest. In fact, when people are describing me, "balanced" is a term I often hear. My life is not consumed with hateful thoughts of a minor Christian religion. I don't make web-sites dedicated to it, nor do I spend most of my waking time in front of computers looking for more info to discredit that religion.
Jan - both you and Kent come across as bitter and obsessed men, filled with hatred. I acknowledge I haven't met either of you guys, but that is how you come across in the majority of your posts. I know I can expect more insults from you regarding this, but at least I have the guts to say what I think!
Please consider that you do come across as bitter and angry. Such an approach only goes to prove the Society's claims that ex-witnesses are bitter and nasty apostates who spread lies etc. So far, you and Kent are doing a pretty good job at proving them in the bitter and nasty stakes. Is that what you want? If not, then consider how you spead your "message".
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hawkaw
waiting,
Your nephew was turned off from the internet because of the negative attitude?
I find that interesting. It took me years of listening to people (and it sometimes still happens) to get over the yelling people do either in their writing style or speaking. But if you listen or read carefully you will find out the problem/argument/fact. And then you can investigate on your own to find out if it is correct or not.
Sometimes I get a bit carried away too. I tend to use the word blood nazi in describing certain members of the Hospital Liason Committee or Hopital Information Service. I do it because I now know what these "guys" are up too and now know for a fact that a lot of them don't even believe in their own doctrine while at the same time don't think twice about letting those innocent little children die (all for the sake of a corporation).
Tell your nephew to not to worry about the "style or language" used by a person. Hell, every time Maximus or St. Jerome post something, I have to get my dictonary out. And well, then there is that dunnscot fellow and I really don't want to go there. Every time Alan posts something its soooo long it takes me a week before I fully understand what he has said. Do you see me upset about those styles? Absolutely not. I need them and their facts to undertsand what is going on and if they changed their stlyes I would be upset. So I recommend that he, your nephew, listen and read carefully. Get him into learning critical reading and thinking skills. It will help.
hawk
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JanH
Prisca,
For some reason, you seemed to comment on every line I wrote, except the first sentences, and some of the last ones. Do we all wonder why? Go up and read what was omitted. Surprising? Not very.
Jan - both you and Kent come across as bitter and obsessed men, filled with hatred.
Prisca, you come across as a grumpy old virgin, filled with venom.You ask me for evidence. You have posted none supproting your position. As I said: why should anyone care about your perception of any individual? You are like FredHall, Teejay or Yadork in this respect: being vilified or attacked by any of you is a trademark of honor for any individual, demonstrating that he or she at least got something right. You are like a compass constantly pointing south. It can still be used, as long as you realize the flaw.
And there is something very sad about a person having spent half their spare time posting 1100+ messages to a board, and still do not understand the forum code.
In fact, when people are describing me, "balanced" is a term I often hear.
In the chatroom, when your name happens to come up, "gag" is the reaction we most often hear.- Jan
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Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. [Ambrose Bierce, The Devil´s Dictionary, 1911]