by Kismet 48 Replies latest jw friends
Yet more insults and no proof from Jan. Thanks mate for proving all my points correct on you!
As for the "gagging" - are you hurt because I'm the only female who hasn't attempted to have sex with you in the chat room?
edited because I did put in a face with a tongue poking out, but I didn't want Jan to get the wrong idea!
Hey Hawk,
About the anger & negativity in people's style - and the effect they have on different people.
An example: Two books about the WTBTS Crisis of Conscience vs
I was a Watchtower Slave for 40 years.
Both tell of a person's own primary experience in the organization and about the WTBTS. However, CofC is, imho from other's talking (I've not read the 40 Yrs), an "easier" read for JW's.
Why? The absence of anger. The JW can read it without saying "well, it wasn't *that* way in my congregation." He can read without going on the defensive immediately.
I think people (as shown on our forum - and myself sometimes) are ready to be on the defensive - sometimes almost from the start. Husbands & wives do that, have you noticed? As with my nephew, he was curious about learning, but his mindset as a 20 yr JW wasn't ready.
It helps to remember that an average jw has never read willingly anything negative about the WTBTS and applied it to the WTBTS. They might read a newspaper report - but then they'll brush it off as "Well, Jehovah's people are being persecuted again by Satan."
A JW commits a serious crime "Well, they were never *really* in The Truth or they wouldn't have committed that crime."
It's very hard not to shut down defensively. I've already e-mailed my nephew's wife the experience about the jw woman who was abused and speaking in glowing terms of the org. - and some addresses with the appropriate warnings "we get into arguments sometimes, even down and dirty."
Nice to have you back, Hawk.
waitng
Prisca,
True, your messages do speak for themselves.
are you hurt because I'm the only female who hasn't attempted to have sex with you in the chat room?And you don't see how this ludicruous assertion contradicts your claim that I come across as a bitter, angry and obsessed person, filled with hatred?
- Jan
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Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. [Ambrose Bierce, The Devil´s Dictionary, 1911]
Waiting,
I think your comparison between COC and Schnell's book is a very valid one. I heard of Schnell's book many years ago. I knew Witnesses who looked at it, but dismissed it because of the anger. By contrast, Ray's book is so much more palatable for the new explorer.
Perhaps there should be two kinds of books and two kinds of threads, one for the fearful, distrustful newbie, and one for the veteran warrior. I don't know the answer, just some thoughts.
By the way, on another thread, you asked about what I look(ed) like. According to my wife, I looked like Timothy Bottoms in the movie, the Last Picture Show, however, that was many moons ago.
I have read every one of these posts. Kent must be very close to the truth for everyone to be attacking him like they are. I have found that the more voices downgrading someone, the closer to the real truth that someone is. Kent has a very good website and tells the real truth, not some watered down truth or outright lies that some people tell because they are afraid of the Watchtower or some other authority figure.
Hi ks,
Spot on!
Truth is often uncomfortable. It causes uncomfortable thoughts. It shakes us out of our comfort-zone. The yelling and blasting is merely an attempt to say-No-I don't want to think about this. It protects their fragile sense of self,esteem and worldview. If they can denigrate the messenger why then the message must be no good at all! Bad Messenger=Bad message= No think,thoought stop! Protective mechanism there. JW's do that all the time about info they can't or won't process honestly and objectively.
So I see it very much the way you do ks. Thanks for pointing that out.regards,Tina
KS,
Great post! The way I've seen some of the people argue here goes right along with your comment. They attack the person instead of the facts. I've not know Kent that long, but noticed right away his tongue-in-cheek and sometimes downright vulgar humor. I'm sure it shocks the sensibilities (of some whom have already posted above) but they are just like the JW's who won't listen to a message because the delivery doesn't suit their desires. They refuse to get out of the JW mentality that if everything isn't Pollyanna perfect in the delivery, then it must be garbage. Whether there's truth to the message or not doesn't even matter. If someone looks at this site and judge within a few posts/hours/days that things are too volatile here, they they are cowards. They don't want to address the fact that truth sometimes hurts and truth isn't always presented in gold wrapping paper with a tulle ribbon. Anybody with ANY life experience knows that.
I enjoy your posts! Keep it up!
Andi
Oops...edited for redundant redundancy...
JanH,
I don't know why you stoop so low the defend Kent Steinhaug and attack Prisca. Kent Steinhaug is the scum of his toilet.
Can I be so bold as to quote myself?
The way I've seen some of the people argue here goes right along with your comment. They attack the person instead of the facts.
Hmm...
Andi
I often quote myself. It adds spice to my conversation.
- George Bernard Shaw
