Surely nobody is going to be selectively accepting anthropological evidence that confirms biblical claims whilst simultaneously dismissing evidence that contradicts it?! I'm shocked
Of course they would never, ever do that!
Is there anthropological evidence proving the Nephilim's existence?
by truthseeker 38 Replies latest jw friends
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daystar
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rmt1
global flood = silly. Black Sea freshwater basin being flooded by the Mediterranean due to melting glaciers after the last Ice Age (in our very own Holocene) gouging through modern Bosperous circa 5000bc = plausible.
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RevFrank
According to what I've researched I had to speculate on these issues.
The Angels of God left their first poisition, came to Earth and mated with the daughters of men. These girls became pregnant and gave birth to giants,(Nephiliam)
These nephilian..their fathers being Angels so the nephilian were half spiritual beings. So when the flood came the physical half of the nephilian died, but the spiritual half fled...later to become demons. And the demons desire to have a physical body so posession became possible.
God took those Angels that left their first poisition and put them in darkness..it's said in Jude 6.
There are many schools of thought about that. Some believe that it was the sons of Seth were the Sons of God not angels. But then again, it's all speculation there.
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skinnyboy
No one has touched on the fact that we are probably Nephilim to our ancestors! The average height of an adult male now, is considerably larger than it was back in the days of Noah (David Attenborough circa. 2000bc) But then the bible is just a book of folklore anyhows, I find Tolkien a better read personally, far more beleivable!
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thinker
Interesting topic. I'm not sure why everyone thinks the nephilim were all destroyed in the flood. They are mentioned at Numbers 13:33. The WT dismisses this verse by saying that it was a false report. However, the WT seems to overlook the fact that this false report was meant to be believed, so it seems unlikely the spies would have included the nephilim reference if the nephilim were believed to be existinct. Doing that would have made the report an obvious falsehood.
The bible doesn't say when the angels started mating with humans. Some early interpretations say that it started with Eve. Genesis 4:1 has Eve saying at the birth of her first child, "I have produced a man with the aid of Jehovah.". This was interpreted as shorthand for "I have produced a man (read human) with the aid of an angel of Jehovah." The previous verse about Adam "knowing" Eve was interpreted to mean he knew about her unfaithfulness. This may be reflected in 1John 3:10-12 which speaks of "the children of the devil" and "Cain, who was of the Evil One". The Gospel of Philip spells it out by saying Cain was the child of Eve and Satan (verses 61:5-10). Also see Targum Pseudo-Jonathan and 4Macc. 18:7-8.
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thinker
In the late 1950’s, during road construction in the Euphrates Valley of south-east Turkey, many tombs containing the remains of giants were uncovered. At the sites the leg bones were measured to be 120 cms (47.24 inches). Joe Taylor, Director of Mt. Blanco Fossil Museum, was commissioned to sculpt the human femur. This giant stood some 14-16 ft tall (right).
Genesis 6:4 claims: "There were giants in the earth in those days;" Deuteronomy 3:11 states that the bed of Og, king of Bashan, was 9 cubits by 4 cubits (approximately 14 ft long by 6 ft wide).
A 19'6" human skeleton found in 1577 A.D. under an overturned oak tree in the Canton of Lucerne.
23-foot tall skeleton found in 1456 A.D. beside a river in Valence, France.
A 25' 6 " skeleton found in 1613 A.D. near the castle of Chaumont in France. This was claimed to be a nearly complete find.A 9' 8" skeleton was excavated from a mound near Brewersville, Indiana (Indianapolis News, Nov 10, 1975).
In 1833 soldiers digging at a pit for a powder magazine in Lompock Rancho, California, discovered a male skeleton 12 feet tall. The skeleton was surrounded by carved shells, stone axes, and blocks of porphyry covered with unintelligible symbols. The skeleton had double rows of upper and lower teeth. These bones substantiated legends by the local Piute Indians regarding giants which they called Si-Te-Cahs.
In Clearwater Minnesota, the skeletons of seven giants were found in mounds. These had receding foreheads and complete double dentition.
A mound near Toledo, Ohio, held 20 skeletons, seated and facing east with jaws and teeth "twice as large as those of present day people," and besides each was a large bowl with "curiously wrought hieroglyphic figures." (Chicago Record, Oct. 24, 1895; cited by Ron G. Dobbins, NEARA Journal, v13, fall 1978).
Almost beyond comprehension or believability was the find of the two separate 36-foot human remains uncovered by Carthaginians somewhere between 200-600 B.C.
Caius Julius Verus Maximinus, also known as Maximinus Thrax (235-238 A.D.) was a Roman soldier-emperor who spent his reign on campaign. Maximinus was born in Thrace to a Gothic father an an Alanic mother in about 173 A.D.. He was reportedly 8' feet, six inches (2.59m) tall, and of tremendous strength. -
tetrapod.sapien
it's not so much about anthropological evidence, although it's fairly safe to say that there is none, and never will be. if there ever is some, it would have to address the other fields of endeavor that do much damage to the flood account.with an account like the nephilim, appologists are up against more than just anthropology. they are up against:
- genetics and biology (evolution and insertion of special genetic code by demons into genome)
- geology (ice cores, strata and age of earth)
- secular history (critical analysis)
- archaeology (agreed that it's a subfield of anthropology).
- and even cosmology and astrophysics (existence of god and parsimony)
TS
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OldSoul
Aw, TS...surely you know there's a bit of a demon in all of us...
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Narkissos
Tetra,
Could "critical exegesis" fit somewhere in your list?