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JWs have more good points than bad

by lsw1961 in

1) many who were on the destructive path have been transformed by their teachings (this includes me who was once vicious, and presumptuous and atheistic).

2) equal monthly pay to all members of the bethel community regardless of whether they are bc members or sweepers.

this is something that still remains as an unattainable dream for the world.

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Isw1961:
All the five points I presented as good points are really good points which you will agree later if not now. Take your own time and try to view it with an open mind. Humans are designed in a unique way that they can see something as good or bad if viewed from above, totally detached. The more detached you are, the better your vision will be! Try this, and you will be amazed at the results.

Isw1961... are you listening to your own advice to view things with an open mind? Can you detach yourself from the JW perspective? The more detached you are, the better your vision will be! Try this, and you will be amazed at the results. =)

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Restructuring Bethel

by LaFrancia in

an announcement to all congregation in italy :.

the project of a new bethel in italy was allocated .

the number of temporary special pioneers will be reduced significantly.

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The temporary special pioneer arrangement was established to serve as a stepping stone to encourage more to take up special pioneering. Since they are currently cutting down on special pioneers & don't need any more, it would only make sense for them to drastically reduce the number of temporary special pioneer applicants!

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3 local needs parts on service meeting.

by hoser in

it is scheduled on our service meeting next week to have 3 local needs parts.

local needs 1 , local needs 2 and local needs 3.

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Here's the problem for me - the local needs part DOESN'T deal with the actual local needs of the congregation. Like: Elderly / disabled / depressed ones needing assistance & care, the problem of single sisters who cannot find any suitable brothers to marry, the importance of cultivating a spirit of love in the congregation INSTEAD of having a judgemental attitude, etc. The local needs part should deal with relevant problems & be solution orientated, focusing on finding practical & immediate solutions to the problems addressed, INSTEAD of the usual read the Bible, pray more, continue to attend meetings & participate in field service, DO MORE, wait on Jehovah crap!

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Indoctrination and subordination

by Tornintwo in

jw
friends

there are so many gems in in search of christian freedom but i thought this section in 'indoctrination and subordination' was excellent, summing things up brilliantly, worth highlighting for anyone who hasn't read the book;.

"the sum of the evidence is, then, that although no extreme physical isolation occurs, a very effective mental isolation is pro- duced by the organizations interpretation placed on jesus words about not being part of the world.

the community of believers becomes quite insulated and intellectually sealed off from any source of scriptural material other than that coming from the one voice, that of the organization.

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As a rule the longer one is associated with the organization the more concentrated his or her social contacts are, the more restricted friendships are to those within the organization. Even “worldly” relatives, meaning non-Witness relatives, are often gradually shunted off to a rather cool and distant relationship.

This was true in my case. As a born-in, my life revolved around the organization & I didn't have much chance in establishing close friendships elsewhere. Then I learned TTATT & discovered that the people who I thought were my friends were actually NOT! Just a little while back, I had non-JW acquaintances & JW friends. NOW, I have non-JW FRIENDS & JW acquaintances!

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Too Much Discontent in the Congregation Part 2

by Simon Templar in

here is part 2..

so you will have some understanding of the boe i will reference in future posts, the following is who they are:.

the coordinator.

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I'm interested in The Nonentity. Sounds like he might know TTATT

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JWs have more good points than bad

by lsw1961 in

1) many who were on the destructive path have been transformed by their teachings (this includes me who was once vicious, and presumptuous and atheistic).

2) equal monthly pay to all members of the bethel community regardless of whether they are bc members or sweepers.

this is something that still remains as an unattainable dream for the world.

Divergent

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Do You Think 10% Tithing is Coming?

by xjwsrock in

firstly, there are cash flow problems in wt town.

i don't think it's necessary to list all the cutbacks and layoffs, but there have been many.. their thirst for money seems higher too in my opinion.

more entitled may be a better way of putting it.

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Tithing has already been enforced upon congregations in a way, just not upon the individual publisher

If they ever try to implement tithing for individuals, there would be a great outcry & the subsequent damage would be irreversible. I believe that such an outrageous move would have a reverse effect - where many who give would actually stop giving in protest. I believe that it would also lead to a start in global decline, instead of the decline that mainly affects developed & affluent Western countries

I would actually love to see the organization try to implement tithing. Am sure many would wake up as a result!

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Too Much Discontent in Congregation Part 1

by Simon Templar in

i am seeing and hearing many, many long-time jws openly expressing problems with either the watchtower society itself, the publications, changing doctrine, incorrectly living their lives as a result of bad doctrine, the behavior of the boe and other related things.

i will share some of these things in several posts, because there are just too many of them.

the complaints that i hear from publishers and pioneers are many.

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Discontentment leads to Doubts, Doubts lead to Dissent, Dissent leads to Disassociation / Disfellowshipping / Drifting away!

Love all those 'D' words! =)

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What is it like to have that one true friend?

by My Name is of No Consequence in

what is it like to have that one true friend?

growing up in the org, i never really had friends.

i had many acquaintances, some of which were worldly.

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I was a born-in JW & am currently in the midst of fading. Waking up made me realize that I have only a few true friends in my life (no thanks to Watchtower!) My best true friend is a non-JW, like most of the others. The beauty about our relationship is that not only do we relate & get along well with each other, but we can talk to each other about ANYTHING without being judged. No subject is taboo. She accepts me for who I am, and I accept her for who she is. There are no pretences in our relationship. And the astonishing things is that I have only known her for less than a year! Compare that with the "friends" I have known for almost my whole life as a JW & yet can't be close to at all!

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Tight pants, colored socks, blue shirts, beards, wire -rimmed glasses...

by Muddy Waters in

tight pants, colored socks, blue shirts, beards, wire -rimmed glasses... .

does anybody remember any thing else that was once or still is proscribed against faithful j-dubs?

when brothers in our kh started wearing different colored shirts rather than white, it caused a great stir and ruckus.

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Sleeveless & tight dresses + tops are worn by those who are spiritualy weak!