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  Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

  by OrphanCrow in

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  i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

  banned.

  which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

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  Very interested to see what effect this will have. Will the GB encourage the jws there to obey the law and be wise as serpents or will the GB see a golden opportunity to exploit the situation re experience "gold" for WT?

  Of course they will - it's the WT after all. When life hands you a ban you make mileage!

  Will the young JWs in Russia who were stuck in their parent's american religion now have a chance to wake up? The old diehards may or may not wake up but if formal indoctrination sessions are not allowed then the youth may at least have a fighting chance.
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  Marc & Cora on YouTube causing unnecessary divisions

  by jambon1 in

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  what is it with this pair?

  why do they have to constantly have a bitch about guys like john cedars?

  a very recent video of them shows them calling him a 'village idiot' and making other disparaging claims.

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  I personally think everyone should just let cedars have his opinion and ignore him if you don't like it, and is it just me but why oh why do we as ex-jws on both sides of the pro/anti ban "debate" need the approval of an ex-moonie to validate our position?

  Steve Hassan is great but surely we should own our own opinion and let others have theirs.
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  Do you air on the side of caution?

  by compound complex in

  1. social
  2. humour

  well, that would be an airer.

  it's all in how we hear the spoken word.

  when a little boy, one fellow thought "world peace" was "whirled peas.

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  Not a mondegreen but a funny play on words that sound the same but are spelt differently.

  melancholy = head like a melon face like a cauli.
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  At This Point In Time How Would You Feel If You Were Disfellowshipped?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  before my mother's death, it would have impacted me.

  now , i wouldn't care..

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  Now, my care factor for such an action would be nil.

  Hard to believe I ever thought being DFed would be a fate worse than death. I have done a hell of a lot of personal deprogramming work over the last couple of years to get to this point.
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  Could a petition to make shunning illegal work?

  by aboveusonlysky in

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  we're currently watching leah remini's series about scientology and the main thing she seems to focus on is the shunning policies of the scientology organization which let's face it are very similar to jw procedure.. i was wondering with all that's in the media recently about bullying could a petition be put together to get the goverment to consider making religiously mandated shunning illegal?

  has such a thing been tried before?.

  https://petition.parliament.uk/help says the following - .

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  I'm late to this discussion and it's probly all been said but no I don't think a petition would or could have any impact on lawmakers. It would be impossible to enforce non-shunning and it's unrealistic to expect lawmakers to make people do something they should be deciding for themselves regardless of the rules of the dubclub.

  At the end of the day it's the responsiblity of every individual JW to stand up to WT and say no to shunning.
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  Special Public Talk - 2017

  by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during yesterday's public talk, i noted the speaker did not make a full reference to the first outline point following the second reference to romans 12:21 - "but keep conquering the evil with the good".this first outline point as i call it, is as follows: "be willing to forgive others whenever there is a basis for doing so".

  interesting conditionality i thought!

  it references the aw of june 8th 1995 page 10 paras 6-7. in part it says there... "what though, if others sin against us in a more serious way, deeply injuring us?

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  Sounds pretty vague "whenever there is a basis for doing ..." and what would that "basis" look like ? A public show of kissing up to the elders and accepting their counsel in true WT style "repentance" no doubt.

  Is not going to meetings "...a practise of malicious, willful, sin..." ?
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  Even if it's not the truth, it's still the best way to live

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how many times did you hear that gem?

  it often went along with "the truth is a protection" which is their way of saying "living a moral life is good for you ... and you can't do that without us".. but think about what people are really saying.

  i think the real message is "i know it's not the truth, but i chose to follow it anyway".. it seems like a pre-emptive argument because they know they can't defend it as "the truth" so instead they switch to defending it as a lifestyle.. of course any kind of lifestyle that has a decent moral ingredient to it, respect for law and order, discipline etc... probably increases people's chances of doing better in life, but they don't have a monopoly on it.. so just remember, next time you hear someone saying "even if it's not the truth" what they are really admitting is that they already know it isn't..

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  The thing with the JW religion is if it wasn't for the shunnning, the blood issue, the child abuse, the indoctrination, the loss of personal freedom of thought and feelings, the judginess, the gossip, the narcissistc control, the trail of broken dreams and families, the destruction of sense of self and identity, the use and abuse of other people's time, money, energy and youth, the GB, the literature, the guilt-tripping, the lame get togethers, the farcical form of worship ......

  Then yeah this would sooo be the best way to live.
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  Another recorded Judicial Meeting...

  by NikL in

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  2. friends

  i've listened to quite a few but for some reason, this one has me really angry.. my heart goes out to the young family dealing with this bull shite.. give a listen.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifkpiqigq9c.

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  I hate listening to JC recordings but they do highlight the lunacy of this religion and the arrogance, hypocrisy, and plain stupidity of the elders trying to enforce WT rules. Their attempts to sound righteous and well versed they just sound ignorant and overbearing.
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  When You See a JW Do You Get Flustered?

  by minimus in

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  i used to dread seeing a witness coming toward me.

  now i am quite comfortable and hope that they may say something to me..... does your blood pressure rise when you see a jw coming toward you?

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  sparrowdown

  Look Tom this place is what it is take it or leave it, it's really that simple.

  You were not forced or coerced into coming here and you will not be forced or coerced to stay.

  Now you're here, you will not forced, coerced or emotionally blackmailed into commenting nor will you be to stop.

  Stop playing the victim and take responsibilty for bringing yourself here and choosing to comment.
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  Another recorded Judicial Meeting...

  by NikL in

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  2. friends

  i've listened to quite a few but for some reason, this one has me really angry.. my heart goes out to the young family dealing with this bull shite.. give a listen.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifkpiqigq9c.

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  Yep, crazyguy, the elders now form an anti-integrity committee.