continuing a topic that is dear to my heart because of my experience as both a shunner and a shunnee .... some people seem to get very agitated when i talk about the responsibility people have to make the right choices and that despite all the wrongs within the wts, people themselves have a role to play and some personal responsibility for the experience.. notice i said "some" responsibility, not "complete" - this doesn't absolve the wts for the things they do wrong in any way shape or form.
so please don't get argumentative about possible meanings and absolutes - of course the wts has a significant role to play but we need to decide what we're trying to achieve here and why the personal choice is so important.. i'm also not talking about actual crimes that the wts should answer for.
if they cover up child abuse for instance, they absolutely should be reported immediately.
Imagine if individual JWs just started saying no.
No to shunning.
No to prying questions.
No to dragging their families to RCs
No to dishonest recruiting methods.
Yes to whole blood if needed.
Yes to immediate reporting of child abuse.
Yes to self expression.
Yes to researching this religion and the bible.
You have the power, it's called free will.
"...when our own thoughts are forbidden, when our questions are not allowed and our doubts are punished; when contacts & friendships outside of the organisation are censored, we are being abused for an end that never justifies its means.
when our heart aches knowing we have made friendships and secret attachments that will be forever forbidden if we leave, we are in danger.
when we consider staying in a group because we cannot bear the loss, disappointment and sorrow our leaving will cause for ourselves and those we have come to love, we are in a cult.
Fantastic quote.
These people, at the end had no choice. Armed guards and jungle kept them there with this lunatic.
There are no armed guards at the KHs.
The most they can do to you if you stop going is not talk to you - once I accepted that that was a price worth paying, I stopped going.
Jim Jones wasn't bluffing JWs are, the elders have no real power.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bhhs5lhr00.
words.....just cant find the words......
jehovahs people do not beg for money.
[...] we have never considered it proper to solicit money for the lords cause, after the common custom .
it is our judgment that money raised by the various begging devices in the name of our lord is offensive, unacceptable to him, and does not bring his blessing either upon the givers or the work accomplished.
Why don't the GB pawn their pinky rings and watches before resorting to guilting kids into donating ice cream money?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bhhs5lhr00.
words.....just cant find the words......
I love the way this guy equates saying no to his offer of "learning the bible for the rest of your life" to being rude.
That's special.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joehewofiba.
is this supposed to placate the ones who have been recently fired?
is this a sign of the aging jw leadership?
this df persons walks up to the cood and says i would like to give you my reinstatement letter because i have been attending meetings here ,the cood says do not give me that letter i need to observe you first then you can rurn in letter i ask my friend is that something new?
the person only wants to return because they want to speak to there mother and father and siblings so thats the resl reason but now they have to sit and wait for this elder to observe them what hypocrites.
No, they don't have to wait for the elders to observe them.
The elders have no real authority.
The elders have no business talking about or observing anybody.
Face palm.
according to one source on a western european 'apostate' website, the org's plan is to abandon the name "jehovah's witnesses" in the future, and replace it with "worshippers of jehovah.".
http://www.bruderinfo-aktuell.de/index.php/fixnews/#comment-4313 .
the gist of the account appears to be a repeat of rutherford's re-branding and debunking of old predictions made by the previous shower of fakers.
I agree onefinger, the word witness is problematic as the general public do not know the bible verse it supposedly is taken from, so worshipper would be easier to understand from a marketing of the religion perspective.
I'd say the rumor is possible if not probable, but we shall see I suppose.
according to one source on a western european 'apostate' website, the org's plan is to abandon the name "jehovah's witnesses" in the future, and replace it with "worshippers of jehovah.".
http://www.bruderinfo-aktuell.de/index.php/fixnews/#comment-4313 .
the gist of the account appears to be a repeat of rutherford's re-branding and debunking of old predictions made by the previous shower of fakers.
The "two witness" rule would change to the two worshipper rule.
Same food different names on the menu.
according to one source on a western european 'apostate' website, the org's plan is to abandon the name "jehovah's witnesses" in the future, and replace it with "worshippers of jehovah.".
http://www.bruderinfo-aktuell.de/index.php/fixnews/#comment-4313 .
the gist of the account appears to be a repeat of rutherford's re-branding and debunking of old predictions made by the previous shower of fakers.
Well Jackson did say at ARC that it would be presumptuous to say they are the only ones who speak for God.
Maybe he was unwittingly giving away something there, ie a change from Witness to Worshipper.
