two weeks ago my wife had a miscarriage at 11 weeks.
it is very sad as it was to be my first child and my wife is already 39. what hurt the most though is that none of my immediate family contacted me.
i was d/f in january and did not expect to hear regularly from my parents and sister.
I'm also sorry about how your family is treating you. I would probably have done the same thing a few years ago thinking that it was the loving thing to do.
What I want to say now is how awesome it is to hear the comments of so many of the posters on this board. They express their feelings so much better than I ever could. I truly believe that they have bigger hearts than most of my former friends ever had.
we've already discussed the 3-15-06 wt about a self-employed contractor not being able to paint one of the churches of christendom.
well read on.
paragraph 13 asks, "what about performing a legitimate service, such as delivering mail everywhere in a community, including places that promote wrong practices?
We've already discussed the 3-15-06 WT about a self-employed contractor not being able to paint one of the churches of Christendom. Well read on. Paragraph 13 asks, "What about performing a legitimate service, such as delivering mail everywhere in a community, including places that promote wrong practices? Would not the principle stated at Matthew 5:45 have a bearing? Not to be overlooked is how doing the work day in and day out might affect our conscience. (Hebrews 13:18).
I know one JW mail carrier who might have to make some adjustments.
Interestingly, the title of the article is, "Each One Will Carry His Own Load." Looks like we really have to carry the load that the FDS piles on us.
the whole article condemns all other religions in no uncertain terms--using such terms as "a drunken prostitute", "prostituted herself by forming alliances with one political power after another.
" paragraph 9: "that jehovah hates false worship is clearly seen from what happens to babylon the great.
revelation 17:16 states: 'the ten horns...will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire.
The whole article condemns all other religions in no uncertain terms--using such terms as "a drunken prostitute", "prostituted herself by forming alliances with one political power after another." Paragraph 9: "That Jehovah hates false worship is clearly seen from what happens to Babylon the Great. Revelation 17:16 states: 'The ten horns...will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire.' 'First a huge beast mauls her to death and eats up her fleshy parts. Then, whatever remains of her is completely burned. Correspondingly, soon the world governments will take such action against false religion.'
However, we are not supposed to let the adherent of "false religion" know how we are supposed to feel. Paragraph 17: "We certainly do not use derogatory terms to describe people of other religions."
do not allow place for the devil .
allow no place for the devil .
"slandering" the wts?
I saw the words "apostate", "apostacized" and "apostasy" 12 times in the study article including three times in the questions (one in review).. Would you say this article is a "carrot" or a "stick"?
clyde wants to see the wt response letter to the un letter that was posted on 2-10-06. it was a two-page letter.
i can print it out, but it is very fuzzy.
i changed the print command from "normal" to "best" but still can't get a good copy.
I did try copying and pasting into "Word" but it was just as fuzzy. Would notepad be any different? I know it's on my computer somewhere--have never used it.
clyde wants to see the wt response letter to the un letter that was posted on 2-10-06. it was a two-page letter.
i can print it out, but it is very fuzzy.
i changed the print command from "normal" to "best" but still can't get a good copy.
Clyde wants to see the WT response letter to the UN letter that was posted on 2-10-06. It was a two-page letter. I can print it out, but it is very fuzzy. I changed the print command from "normal" to "best" but still can't get a good copy. I believe it is in pdf, so is there a way that I can get a copy that is more readable?
Thanks, Bonnie
while i was in high school in the mid 60's i was told that the end was so near that i would not get to graduate from high school so i should not be concerned about being drafted due to the war in vietnam.
well i got drafted but did not pass my physical due to a medical problem.. i then considered go to school in the late 60's to enter the medical field.
i was encouraged by the elders not to do this because the end is so near and why get schooling for a profession that you will not need in a few years?
Hi and welcome to the forum - Clyde and I were both baptized in 1959 and we lived through it all. We remember the buzz when the book came out in 1966, "Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God" which showed the 1,000 year reign beginning in 1975. We remember the two weeks of the Watchtower study in 1968 that highly suggested that 1975 was the year. We remember the talks by the circuit overseer stating that the Society was NOT wrong about 1914 and they WILL NOT be wrong about 1975. However, there was also a lot of confusion because occasionally there would be a talk about how we are "not serving for a date" and the talk would seem to minimize the possibility of 1975 being significant. I believe that many of the witnesses who now claim that the Society did not advocate 1975 will use those talks to support it.
Interestingly, Clyde made the comment that there must be some real conflict at Bethel. I found out two decades later, after reading "Crisis of Conscience" by Raymond Franz, that there really was a lot of dissension. It was Ray's uncle, Fred Franz, who was chiefly responsible for the 1975 fiasco.
i believe it was paragraph 17, the one that spoke about the faithful slave and how there are those who wish to be "independent" and that this is wrong.
two comments came, both from elders.
elder 1: so what the paragraph is telling us is that instead of developing an independent spirit we actually want to be developing a spirit of dependece upon god's organization and the spiritual food they provide.
This is a short excerpt from my notes from the district assembly (2005) on Saturday. Same stuff....
"If elders do not do things from the Faithful and Discreet Slave, they are failing to cooperate with Jehovah’s arrangement. There is no substitute for the Governing Body. No divine favor without it. To fail to obey is really to reject the word of Jehovah. Failing to obey is no different than divination or idolatry.
Even if we are asked to perform a task that we don’t agree with, we have to obey. "
I didn't go the next day, but my daughter-in-law was taking notes. Same crap. Guess what! She came back from the convention pretty disgusted. Guess what? She's never been to another meeting.
proverbs 3:5.
5 trust in jehovah with all your heart and do not lean upon your own understanding.
daniel 12:3. and the ones having insight will shine like the brightness of the expanse; and those who are bringing the many to righteousness, like the stars to time indefinite, even forever.
We have to understand who these verses apply to. The first one applies to the rank and file (who are incapable of thinking) and the second one applies to the anointed, and by extension, the elders (who have special insight).
i read a thread posted by gill which gives an account of an 8 year old being baptised.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/107441/1.ashx.
does anyone know what the society considers to be the minimum age at which a witness can be disfellowshipped?
I knew two JW sisters, about ages 11 and 12. Neither were baptized, but at the time it didn't matter because it was during the 4-year(?) period when an unbaptized publisher could be treated the same way as a baptized person. Well my son saw them smoking at school, reported them to the elders, and their names were read to the congregation. Can't remember the terminology, but everyone understood that they were to shun them as if they were disfellowshipped. Those poor little girls had an alcoholic father and a mother who was struggling financially. One girl ended up on drugs and the other spent time in jail. At the time I thought my son had done well reporting these children to the elders. Now I am disgusted, not at my son, as he was only in his early teens, but partly at myself for approving the action, and particularly at the elders for enforcing this stupidity, and especially at the WTS for dictating it.
