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  Why are baby showers acceptable and not birthdays

  by insearchoftruth in

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  my wife is going to a jw baby shower today............

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  My daughter-in-law gave a very nice baby shower for her cousin's wife. The next day at the meeting the elder husband of one of the attendees counselled her about the games. He read something from the WT which my daughter-in-law couldn't remember because she was in so much shock. I was at the shower, and there was absolutely nothing wrong with any of the games, even though they weren't Bible games. For one of the games, they passed around little bags with a different baby item in each bag and they ladies had to write down what they thought was in the bag. One of the items was a breast pad--was that bad? Another game had something to do with crossing the leg. Somebody made the remark that the mother should have kept her legs crossed.

  One good thing came out of this. Daughter-in-law stopped going to meetings.
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  Nobody from her church visited her - Jan 2010 WT study experience

  by truthseeker in

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  i find paragraph 20 quite interesting in the jan 2010 study article.

  http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/w_f-st_e_20100115.pdf.

  "prove to be a real follower of christ".

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  I do feel the need to balance these posts with a positive experience.

  Even though some "friends" that I would have expected would attend my mom's funeral didn't (she was a 50+ years faithful JW)...when my wife developed cancer and was getting treatments at a clinic hundreds of miles from home, not only did she get visits from a local congregation who learned of her condition...but me, the healthly one living alone at home, also received visits from my cong that included hot meals

  I agree only to a point. When I had surgery for cancer 15 years ago, a sister in the congregation organized several meals delivered to my home and my JW cousin drove several hundred miles to help me out a few days. What I've observed, not only personally, but with others in the congregation and neighboring congregations is that there is sometimes an initial flurry of concern - then it dies out very quickly. Also, it seems to be quite rare that there is any concern from the elders themselves--it's usually comes from maybe one or two individuals in the congregation on their own initiative--maybe..... Anyone in a long-term situation - like my mother (over 6 years) - is easily forgotten, especially when it looks like there is no hope of their ever becoming a useful member of the congregation again.

  I think many JW's would like to do more charitable work in their heart, but they are always being guilted into more and more field service - putting any works of charity on the back burner. I remember one sister that said she would like to come and visit my mother, but she couldn't because she "had to auxilliary pioneer next month."
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  "New Order", "New World Order" systematically removed from WTS

  by EndofMysteries in

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  has anyone else caught on to this?

  i remember as a kid, 80's, it was called the "new system", then late 80's, early 90's, changed to new world order.

  it's interesting that governments, conspiracy theories, news, etc, are all calling the one world government, the new world order.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  The term "new world" was the term used when I first became a witness - 1950's. There was a study article somewhere later that explained why it was more appropriate to use "new system" or "new order." Years later "new world" again came back into vogue.
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  Nobody from her church visited her - Jan 2010 WT study experience

  by truthseeker in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i find paragraph 20 quite interesting in the jan 2010 study article.

  http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/w_f-st_e_20100115.pdf.

  "prove to be a real follower of christ".

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  I forgot to add, I was counselled by the elders because I was spending too much time with my parents and too little time going out to help those people in the neighborhood who "had no hope." I should have told them that my parents sat at home "hoping" that some people in the congregation would just stop by to say "hello."
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  Nobody from her church visited her - Jan 2010 WT study experience

  by truthseeker in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i find paragraph 20 quite interesting in the jan 2010 study article.

  http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/w_f-st_e_20100115.pdf.

  "prove to be a real follower of christ".

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  I have some contact with about 3 different churches in this area and found that each one has a committee made up of volunteers, mostly women, who visit the homebound, make sure they have food and are getting to the doctor, read the bible to them, take tapes of the sermons, clean their homes, give moral support. make hospital visits, visit those in nursing homes.

  I remember when my mother after a lengthy illness finally had to go into a hospice facility. I mentioned that I felt bad that my father and I couldn't be there more. One of the workers (knowing we were witnesses) asked about a ladies' auxilliary. I innocently asked where I could find such a group, and she said, "Well, most churches have them." I didn't know what to say, my dad muttered something about how we have elders. I about choked.... The elders had done almost zero for the previous seven years of her illness.

  During those seven years she had very very few visitors. In fact there were several instances where car groups would work their neighborhood, but didn't bother to stop in to see my parents. I will say--this was the catalyst that got me into investigating my religion. My parents were well-respected members of the congregation when they were healthy enough to be of service, but when they desperately needed some moral and some physical support, they got practically none.
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  Yesterday's WT

  by WalkTall in

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  the whole wt yesterday, which was supposed to be about love, actually centered on how we should react to 'persecutors'.

  it was horrible to hear the audience comments...calling 'worldly people' everything from 'they are unkind and mean' to them being 'hateful and unneighborly'.

  i sat there and thought about how this 'us vs. them' mentality is the very thing that is contributing to the divisive and separatist world we live in.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  Is that WT online anywhere?
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  Salvation Army - JW's don't donate, but would they accept help

  by Bonnie_Clyde in

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  i just did a quick search on the wt cd and confirmed that that jehovah doesn't approve the salvation army.

  but would a jw accept help from them just like they will accept help from the red cross?.

  btw, clyde has been asked to do a little bell ringing.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  Can anybody come up with the January 1965 KM that apparently has a question whether it is OK to go to a Salvation Army store? Or at least tell us what it says?
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  Salvation Army - JW's don't donate, but would they accept help

  by Bonnie_Clyde in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just did a quick search on the wt cd and confirmed that that jehovah doesn't approve the salvation army.

  but would a jw accept help from them just like they will accept help from the red cross?.

  btw, clyde has been asked to do a little bell ringing.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  I'm just glad that Clyde had plenty of other ways to donate his time. When we first stopped going to meetings, we both talked about maybe attending another church--even let the Mormons visit us for a few weeks. Then we discovered there is a Moose Lodge near us. We are gradually getting involved in some of their charitable activites which includes helping the Salvation Army. Although we won't be doing any bell ringing, we can do lots of other things without coming under the radar of the elders.
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  I just read chapter 4 of Combatting Cult Mind Control and...

  by doublelife in

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  wow.

  it's strange because even though i decided in sept that this is a false religion, it's still a little overwhelming to read this chapter.

  if cult members have two identities, then where is my other identity?

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  Chapter 4.....I don't have a copy of the "Combatting" book now (gave it away) but I was astounded how that chapter completely described the witnesses - yet Steven Hassan wasn't pinpointing the witnesses in that book - he didn't even realze they were a cult.
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  Salvation Army - JW's don't donate, but would they accept help

  by Bonnie_Clyde in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just did a quick search on the wt cd and confirmed that that jehovah doesn't approve the salvation army.

  but would a jw accept help from them just like they will accept help from the red cross?.

  btw, clyde has been asked to do a little bell ringing.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  I just did a quick search on the WT CD and confirmed that that Jehovah doesn't approve the Salvation Army. But would a JW accept help from them just like they will accept help from the Red Cross?

  BTW, Clyde has been asked to do a little bell ringing. He says he has to find a way to decline gracefully as too many JW's in the area still know him and would turn him in. We are not ready to have our names read at the KH.