Posts by AnnOMaly

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How long did you know TTATT while attending the meetings?

by Iamallcool in

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i did not know anything about ttatt while attending the meetings.. .

ttatt=the truth about the truth..

AnnOMaly

Definitely root beer, then. LOL.

Old Goat, thank you for the extra info.

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Do you have all your WT literature? If so why?

by KateWild in

many on this board are still in and have all the literature.

do you read all your books regularly?

do you have old magazines that you have underlined and still keep?

AnnOMaly

The reason to keep old pubs is to have the actual documentation of Botchtower BS. So when someone fresh in the Borg says "Oh they didn't say that." you can show them otherwise.

Exactly! One of the reasons I keep my stuff.

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Do you have all your WT literature? If so why?

by KateWild in

many on this board are still in and have all the literature.

do you read all your books regularly?

do you have old magazines that you have underlined and still keep?

I keep some stuff not on the CD-ROM or accessible electronically. I keep what are considered historical or 'family heirlooms.' We've got rid of a lot of lit., though, for reasons of room. Despite my protests, one of my relatives threw out all the single copy Watchtowers and Awakes collected over many decades because they were moving. There were some collectors' items in there, copies that were of historical/doctrinal interest - all now rotting on a dump.

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607 vs 587 BC - Cyrus Cylinder

by objectivetruth in

hi everyone,.

i'm researching 587 vs 607 for the date of the destruction of jerusalem... i'm not doing the research to prove or disprove anything about 1914, rather i'm looking at these dates in comparison to 1948 & 1967.. what is your view on relying on the cyrus cylinder, to accept 607 as the correct date of destruction... i know that there are many other factors.. but i'm trying to keep this portion of my research as simple as possible, so i'm primarily interested in the appropriateness of using the cylinders date of 537 + 70 = 607. one other question.. is it likely that both dates 587 & 607 have their own significance?.

AnnOMaly

The official link ---> Gentile Times Reconsidered.

No, I do not think Dan. 11:21-45 could refer to Nazi Germany and Hitler. At least part of the section most likely applies to Antiochus IV Epiphanes (ruled 175 - 164 BCE). Dan. 11:36 onward is understood to refer to the distant future. A conservative interpretation can be found HERE.

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607 vs 587 BC - Cyrus Cylinder

by objectivetruth in

hi everyone,.

i'm researching 587 vs 607 for the date of the destruction of jerusalem... i'm not doing the research to prove or disprove anything about 1914, rather i'm looking at these dates in comparison to 1948 & 1967.. what is your view on relying on the cyrus cylinder, to accept 607 as the correct date of destruction... i know that there are many other factors.. but i'm trying to keep this portion of my research as simple as possible, so i'm primarily interested in the appropriateness of using the cylinders date of 537 + 70 = 607. one other question.. is it likely that both dates 587 & 607 have their own significance?.

AnnOMaly

What is your view on relying on the Cyrus Cylinder, to accept 607 as the correct date of destruction. ...

... I'm primarily interested in the appropriateness of using the Cylinders date of 537 + 70 = 607

You cannot rely on the Cyrus Cylinder to prove or disprove 607 BCE as the date of Jerusalem's destruction. It is undated and tells how Cyrus conquered Babylon, got rid of incompetent Nabonidus and brought peace and religious harmony to the land, etc.

You have to go to other sources to derive any dates. The Nabonidus Chronicle indicates Babylon fell in Nabonidus' year 17. Astronomical texts anchor dates for certain kings' years and other kings' years can be derived from kings' lists. Babylon fell in 539 BCE as Over%forme said.

Next you have to determine what the prophesied '70 years' relate to. Jeremiah consistently relates them to a period of Babylonian domination over the nations including Judah (Jer. 25:8-12; Jer. 29:10 - '70 years for Babylon'). The Babylonians were defeated in 539 BCE, therefore their domination of the nations ceased in that year (2 Chron. 36:20, 21; Jer. 25:12).

The first period of seventy years spanned from 606 BC until 537 BC, known as the Babylonian Captivity.

The '70 years' could be a rounded number (Nineveh fell in 612 BCE; 605 BCE was the battle of Carchemish, defeating the Egyptians, and Babylon swept down taking Palestine) or can literally fit from 609 BCE when the last king of Assyria was defeated and the last Assyrian stronghold, Harran, was razed to the ground. The Babylonians had hegemony over the nations from that point. 609 BCE to 539 BCE = 70 years for Babylon.

The second period of 70 years came 19 years later from 587 BC until 518 BC, which was known as the period of Jerusalem’s Desolation's . On the 9th of Av 587 BC, the Temple was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar.

We agree on the year of Jerusalem's destruction. The Temple wasn't finished until Adar 517 BCE (Ezra 6:15) so yes, the Temple was desolate for 70 years.

You're looking for another Bible chronology/prophetic 'Gentile times' fit with Israel's independence, aren't you? There'll be a whole lot of scriptural hopping, skipping, jumping and eisegesis to find one but good luck!

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How long did you know TTATT while attending the meetings?

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

i did not know anything about ttatt while attending the meetings.. .

ttatt=the truth about the truth..

AnnOMaly

The infamous pic of Rutherford and friends drinking beer next to a barrel. It's root beer? LOL. Thanks Old Goat, but are you sure? I mean, does the type of cask *definitely* rule out an alcoholic beverage being served here?

Enjoyed reading the rest of your post too. Nearly 90 and in since the '40s. Wow - especially considering your long-standing ill health (I checked out some of your older posts). You're the kind of guy I'd like to share a (proper) beer with while you relate all your WTS/JW war stories

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Memorial 2014: Wrong date?

by AnnOMaly in

this was meant to have nice inserted pictures and tidy hyperlinks but the forum's being glitchy today.

so unfortunately it's going to be a messy post where you're going to have to exercise your tapping fingers and click on the links to the pics to see what i'm referring to.

sorry about that.. in the article recently studied "do this in remembrance of me" (w13 12/15), there is a box on p. 23 giving the date of this year's memorial and how that date is arrived at.. http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013926.

AnnOMaly

Hi Amelia,

Regarding the hebcal converter, please see THIS EARLIER POST.

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Star Trails

by ILoveTTATT in

one of the things that i have only done once... but i would love to do again and again until i perfect the technique, is called star trails.. my camera is a canon 60d.

there is a way to "hack" the canon dslr's so that they get some amazing functionalities, such as taking a picture just by clapping (really cool for when you want to take a picture and no one is able to push the button) and taking pictures at certain intervals.. you can read more about this "hacking" on .

http://www.magiclantern.fm/.

AnnOMaly

The shot does not show the curvature of trails in the north celestial sphere, but rest assured, Polaris is UP THERE.

... behind ILoveTTATT (or his camera).

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Star Trails

by ILoveTTATT in

one of the things that i have only done once... but i would love to do again and again until i perfect the technique, is called star trails.. my camera is a canon 60d.

there is a way to "hack" the canon dslr's so that they get some amazing functionalities, such as taking a picture just by clapping (really cool for when you want to take a picture and no one is able to push the button) and taking pictures at certain intervals.. you can read more about this "hacking" on .

http://www.magiclantern.fm/.

AnnOMaly

prologos,

It might be better imagining a concave lens shape.

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Imagine the above figure rotated 90°. The 'I' is the line of the celestial equator.

Star trails will curve in a circle around their respective celestial poles. Although you won't see the south celestial pole or its circumpolar stars (to make those nice tight circles) from Seattle, stars south of the celestial equator will make trails that slightly arc southwards.

That's what Twitch is trying to convey (right, Twitch?).

Any help?

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Star Trails

by ILoveTTATT in

one of the things that i have only done once... but i would love to do again and again until i perfect the technique, is called star trails.. my camera is a canon 60d.

there is a way to "hack" the canon dslr's so that they get some amazing functionalities, such as taking a picture just by clapping (really cool for when you want to take a picture and no one is able to push the button) and taking pictures at certain intervals.. you can read more about this "hacking" on .

http://www.magiclantern.fm/.

AnnOMaly

All I can see is objects revolving around polaris lining up above my rear yard fence. where in the Seattle area could I point my camera and get circles like that, rotating about the other celestial pole?

Nowhere in the Seattle area. The south celestial pole with its circumpolar stars can only be seen south of Earth's equator. You'd have to travel to S. America, I'm afraid.