Posts by AnnOMaly

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Help please!!!

by braincleaned in

my mom just hung up on me, convinced that the borg has never said that jesus was not the mediator between the sheep and him!.

i know they have presumptuously took the place of jesus as mediators can someone pleeeeeeze give me the wt references of this?.

she does not believe me..

AnnOMaly

*** w79 4/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***

● Is Jesus the “mediator” only for anointed Christians?

... At a time when God was selecting those to be taken into that new covenant, the apostle Paul wrote that Christ was the “one mediator between God and men.” (1 Tim. 2:5) Reasonably Paul was here using the word “mediator” in the same way he did the other five times, which occurred before the writing of 1 Timothy 2:5, referring to those then being taken into the new covenant for which Christ is “mediator.” So in this strict Biblical sense Jesus is the “mediator” only for anointed Christians.

This view was reaffirmed 10 years later:

*** w89 8/15 p. 30-1 Questions From Readers ***

□ Is Jesus the Mediator only for spirit-anointed Christians or for all mankind, since 1 Timothy 2:5, 6 speaks of him as the “mediator” who “gave himself a corresponding ransom for all”?

... The people of all nations who have the hope of everlasting life on earth benefiteven now from Jesus’ services. Though he is not their legal Mediator, for they are not in the new covenant, he is their means of approaching Jehovah. Christ said: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6) All who will gain life on earth must direct their prayers to Jehovah through Jesus. (John 14:13, 23, 24) Jesus also serves as a compassionate High Priest who is able to apply in their behalf the benefits of his sacrifice, allowing them to gain forgiveness and eventual salvation.—Acts 4:12; Hebrews 4:15.

Consequently, 1 Timothy 2:5, 6 is not using “mediator” in the broad sense common in many languages. It is not saying that Jesus is a mediator between God and all mankind. Rather, it refers to Christ as legal Mediator (or, “attorney”) of the new covenant, this being the restricted way in which the Bible uses the term.

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Unbalanced way of thinking?

by msconcerned in

so, one hot beautiful (not a cloud in the sky) kind of summer day, there was an elder who decided to re shingle his house.

this was on the book study day.

he started early and got all the shingles off of the roof in time for the book study that night.

AnnOMaly

Two, no, three things surprise me about this story.

1. It's not in the Yearbook.

2. Jehovah didn't save his house even though the guy put 'kingdom interests' first.

3.There's no epilogue about how his damaged house proved to be a blessing in disguise because now he has a bigger and better house and all his children are special pioneers because of his example of faith and sacrifice.

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Poor Lucy van Pelt :-(

by snowbird in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh_l8eoi6lk.

AnnOMaly

LOL. She had it coming.

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Thank you for this forum! Without it I couldn't sit through the meetings!

by stuckinarut2 in

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the only way i can sit through the meetings is due to having my tablet and connection to this forum!.

since awakening, i can't believe how much i cringe each and every meeting when i hear all the propaganda and garbage spewed out from the bible and the society!.

i only cope by venting on here.. (plus it is so easy when sitting at the back of the hall or on the sound control box... hahaha).

AnnOMaly

This place has helped keep me sane too.

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"Come all who are toiling and I will refresh you. My yoke is kindly and my load is light"

by stuckinarut2 in

so we all know that matt 11:28-30 says .

28 "come to me, all you who are toiling and loaded down, and i will refresh you.29 take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for i am mild-tempered and lowly in heart, and you will find refreshment for yourselves.

30 for my yoke is kindly, and my load is light.. it amazes me immensely how the organisation has completely overlooked the intent of this verse as supposedly said by gods son!.

AnnOMaly

Matthew 11:28-30 - The Message (MSG)

“Are you tired? Worn out? Burned out on religion? Come to me. Get away with me and you’ll recover your life. I’ll show you how to take a real rest. Walk with me and work with me—watch how I do it. Learn the unforced rhythms of grace. I won’t lay anything heavy or ill-fitting on you. Keep company with me and you’ll learn to live freely and lightly.”

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August 2014 Kingdom Ministry (KM - 08/2014 PDF)

by WatchTower87 in

our kingdom ministry august 2014 - special number - :-p. .

instruction: press the 'skip ad' button top right, you should then see the download screen more easily.

no virus ;-).

AnnOMaly

Thanks for the download :-)

But hmpf.

A headline celebrates 100 years of 'kingdom rule' and quotes a snippet of Rutherford's 1922 'Advertise' speech, as if what Rutherford said back then is still true. The fuller quote with the parts the km used in bold and 'truths' now way past their use-by dates in red:

"... Since 1914 the King of glory has taken his power and reigns. He has cleansed the lips of the temple class and sends them forth with the message.The importance of the message of the kingdom cannot be overstated. It is the message of all messages. It is the message of the hour. It is incumbent upon those who are the Lord's to declare it. The kingdom of heaven is at hand; the King reigns; Satan's empire is falling; millions now living will never die.

"Do you believe it? Do you believe that the King of glory is present, and has been since 1874? Do you believe that during that time he has conducted his harvest work? Do you believe that he has had during that time a faithful and wise servant through whom he directed his work and the feeding of the household of faith? [back then, believed to be Russell - Ann] Do you believe that the Lord is now in his temple, judging the nations of earth? Do you believe that the King of glory has begun his reign?

"Then back to the field, 0 ye sons of the most high God! Gird on your armor! Be sober, be vigilant, be active, be brave. Be faithful and true witnesses for the Lord. Go forward in the fight until every vestige of Babylon lies desolate. Herald the message far and wide. The world must know that Jehovah is God and that Jesus Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords. This is the day of all days. Behold, the King reigns! You are his publicity agents. Therefore advertise, advertise, advertise, the King and his kingdom." - W. 1922, 11/1, p. 337.

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The March 1, 1952 Watchtower says, "Go back... and Die!"

by Londo111 in

"those who are acquainted with the situation in the congregation should never say hello or goodbye to him.

he is not welcome in our midst, we avoid him.

such an individual has no place in the clean organization or congregation of god.

AnnOMaly

I found the quote via googling. Next time, I need to verfiy the source a little closer.

LOL - I thought it wasn't from you. Which site was it from, as a matter of interest?

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The March 1, 1952 Watchtower says, "Go back... and Die!"

by Londo111 in

"those who are acquainted with the situation in the congregation should never say hello or goodbye to him.

he is not welcome in our midst, we avoid him.

such an individual has no place in the clean organization or congregation of god.

AnnOMaly

"Those who are acquainted with the situation in the congregation should never say Hello or Goodbye to him. He is not welcome in our midst, we avoid him. Such an individual has no place in the clean organization or congregation of God. He should go back to the wicked group that he once came from and die with that wicked group with Satan’s organization."

FYI, wherever this came from, it's not accurately quoted. Two quotes have been spliced from two articles in the same magazine. Still, to have whole articles on how to and to what level a person should be ignored ... just wow ... especially as it's only 5 years after they were condemning the Catholic church for doing the same!

Edit: Sorry Atlantis, I couldn't spot the part of the quote from your second scan. Thought the page continued from the 1st one. I must be blind today!

*** w52 3/1 pp. 133-134 pars. 8-9 Keeping the Organization Clean ***

"... But Paul, an apostle of the Lord, had authority to take action, and he took action. He disfellowshiped that one. He did not ask the congregation: “Now give me authority or vote on what I’m doing.” Paul, a servant of God, saw to it that that one was removed. He had the authority to do so. That is why he said he had already judged the man and ordered them to “hand such a man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh”. (1 Cor. 5:1-12, NW) Such an individual has no place in the clean organization or congregation of God. He should go back to the wicked group that he once came from and die with that wicked group with Satan’s organization.

"Let the wicked go his wicked way, for he cannot remain in the congregation of God, because that congregation must remain clean. ... "

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*** w52 3/1 p. 141 pars. 13-14 Propriety of Disfellowshiping ***

"... What is the congregation going to do now with such an individual? We must keep in mind that this person has been disfellowshiped and is not a member of our company. We want to avoid him, we want nothing to do with him.

"Now meetings that are open to the public he can attend as long as he behaves himself and acts orderly. If that individual comes into a public meeting, say, a public lecture in a public auditorium, or Kingdom Hall, or city park, or a Watchtower study or a service meeting, it is public, the doors are open, and he may be admitted. If he comes into that meeting and sits down, as long as he is orderly, minds his business, we have nothing to say to him. Those who are acquainted with the situation in the congregation should never say “Hello” or “Good-by” to him. He is not welcome in our midst, we avoid him. If this one should be sitting in the Watchtower study and raise his hand, the chairman should never recognize him or allow him to make a comment. He is not one of us. He is not a recognized member in God’s congregation. Those who are informed and know the individual certainly should avoid him, have nothing to say to him. He has no privileges of service in the congregation whatsoever."

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New Tract for August 2014 - Scan

by BluesBrother in

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if someone has done this before , i apologise but this was new to me.....struck me as strange that nowadays, the answers to life's problems are found on the internet .

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AnnOMaly

All those tract placements will be counted on the report slips. Books, brochures and mags are downloadable online and pdfs can also be counted as 'placements' via email, so much less real paper placements out in the field. Annual FS reports still have to have impressive-looking figures for the r&f to coo over, and that's how they're doing it.

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Imitate the Faith of Moses Study Article

by Rattigan350 in

the study article imitate the faith of moses study article, is the same old blah that they always have.

moses, a guy who lived 4000 years ago, did.

something when he was 40 years old when he was in egypt and when he was in the wilderness at the burning bush, an angel communicated with him.. .

AnnOMaly

For you, jhine - http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/206617/1/How-I-Know-The-Assembly-Parts-Are-Made-Up#.U5RK8nJdXYl