a random thought occurred to me today.. i actually feel genuinely sorry for witnesses who cut contact with ones they feel are no longer "spiritual" .. they do this based not on anything that the person has actually done to them personally, but due to an imposed view from the society.. it must play havoc with their inner conscience as they try and reconcile that the person they cut off has not actually done anything to harm them, but they have to view them as evil.. it reminded me of this thread i started some time back.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5751633187176448/all-my-friends-organisation.
Nice comments!
Yes, I still treat all individuals the same way. I hold nothing against any witness.
It just amazes me that they on the other hand feel justified or even compelled to treat us like we have done something wrong. All in fact we have done is research the "truth". In fact we are the ones who need support, as we have been rocked by the facts we have discovered.
Ah well...cults will act like cults I guess.
..........however, it seems that this practice [theocratic warfare] is seeping more and more into regular witness life.
in fact, one speech outline for the upcoming 2017 circuit assembly appears to directly encourage witnesses to lie to the general public about watchtower’s teachings on homosexuality............. http://jwsurvey.org/mind-control/upcoming-2017-jw-assembly-encourages-witness-youths-to-lie-about-homosexuality.
nb this is a month old.. if it has been previously posted and i missed it, sorry .
If the principle from the bible supposedly said by Jesus is to be abided by, then there is no room for witnesses to be "non-practising gays"
They say "you cant even think it in your heart". This has nothing to do with acting on those desires.
So the premise said above that a "gay" person can be so but just cant practice it is false.
As a witness once said "you cant be a racist in your heart, because God still knows your thoughts, and one day you will act on those feelings anyway"
so the wife and i were uninvited to another jw get together which we didn't want to go to anyways.
finally we find out that something on my facebook account is getting some people's in my old halls undies in a bunch.
so i was thinking of meeting with them to at least clear my wife's name and give them some much needed hell.
Ensure that appropriate boundaries are respected!
You should never feel forced or compelled into anything that you don't wish to be involved with. That includes a railroaded meeting with elders.
If such a meeting does occur though, turn the tables, and instead of sitting there waiting for them to dictate the discussion and direction the meeting takes, you take control.
Imagine if you said right at the beginning "ok thanks for meeting together so and so..., now I'd like to start with a prayer, then I'll outline the matter of discussion. Please bow your heads now...." etc....
Watch them explode with rage that you show disdain for their "power and authority"!
having seen many, many people leave the org over the years, i have to say that, when it comes to married couples, it's almost always the man who makes the first move to leave.
conversely, when it comes to being converted into the witnesses, more often than not it's the wife who joins up first.
although that wasn't the case with my own parents, my father became converted and my mother followed very reluctantly..
If the woman stays in, she enjoys the sympathy and support from all who pity her "terrible" situation having to live with an evil apostate or faded husband...
That "poor soul" routine works wonders for many "sisters"
like many others, our local church produces a newsletter.
church car park sign... “for members only.
trespassers will be baptised”.. a sunday school teacher asked, “johnny, do you think noah did a lot of fishing when he was in the ark?” “no,” replied johnny, “how could he, with just two worms?”.
I saw one sign on a church years ago:
"Attend here on Sunday, or have a Hell of a time instead"
the statement in the article "who is leading gods people today?
" in the feb 17th study edition of the wt is very interesting.. it states: ""the g.b.
is neither inspired nor infallible" ..we can err .in doctrinal matters....".
The reality is, it doesn't matter about the specific teachings...
The REAL issue is: OBEY the GB in all things.
a random thought occurred to me today.. i actually feel genuinely sorry for witnesses who cut contact with ones they feel are no longer "spiritual" .. they do this based not on anything that the person has actually done to them personally, but due to an imposed view from the society.. it must play havoc with their inner conscience as they try and reconcile that the person they cut off has not actually done anything to harm them, but they have to view them as evil.. it reminded me of this thread i started some time back.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5751633187176448/all-my-friends-organisation.
A random thought occurred to me today.
I actually feel genuinely sorry for witnesses who cut contact with ones they feel are no longer "spiritual" .
They do this based NOT on anything that the person has actually done to them personally, but due to an imposed view from the society.
It must play havoc with their inner conscience as they try and reconcile that the person they cut off has NOT actually done anything to harm them, but they have to view them as evil.
It reminded me of this thread I started some time back
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5751633187176448/all-my-friends-organisation
is anyone here familiar with the facebook group "jehovah's people: enduring these last days together"?
it's a closed group, so obviously you need to be a member in order to access any info or posts.
my anointed roommate is really frustrated because she's an admin and someone is taking miscellaneous posts from the group and posting it on their own page, which has the exact same name, minus the word "together.
Hasn't your "anointed roommate" heard that her "spiritual brothers" the GB have condemned all such online groups??
She is rebelling against such glorious ones and should be counselled by her elders for disobeying "theocratic direction"!
so if the gb changed its "bible based beliefs" on some teaching, would witnesses all of a sudden change their individual beliefs too?.
witnesses like to claim that "their bible trained hearts and minds" make them believe as they do, but we know that the reality is that all witnesses hold their "deep seated beliefs" according to what they have been told to believe.. so what would cause the average witness to question those that dictate their "personal convictions"??.
thoughts?.
Great replies everyone!
Yes I know there have been many changes already over the years.
So I am wondering what it would REALLY take for a witness to wake up and question the authority?
so if the gb changed its "bible based beliefs" on some teaching, would witnesses all of a sudden change their individual beliefs too?.
witnesses like to claim that "their bible trained hearts and minds" make them believe as they do, but we know that the reality is that all witnesses hold their "deep seated beliefs" according to what they have been told to believe.. so what would cause the average witness to question those that dictate their "personal convictions"??.
thoughts?.
So if the GB changed its "bible based beliefs" on some teaching, would witnesses all of a sudden change their individual beliefs too?
Witnesses like to claim that "their bible trained hearts and minds" make them believe as they do, but we know that the reality is that all witnesses hold their "deep seated beliefs" according to what they have been told to believe.
So what would cause the average witness to question those that dictate their "personal convictions"??
Thoughts?
