Posts by stuckinarut2

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Will YOU Ever Leave The Watchtower Org.?

by minimus in

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there is usually a metamorphosis that takes place for a person to leave the jehovah's witness religion.

most people do not just up and go simply because they realize this could not be the truth.

it often takes time.. for those that go to meetings or engage in the ministry, will you forever continue doing these things, knowing that it is all bs?

stuckinarut2

I sat on the fence and pretended for a couple of years, all while slowly cutting back on my assignments and "privileges"

This was to try and effect some change amongst those I thought were friends.

Most importantly though it was to be there for my wife as she slowly awoke. If I had simply left, or acted too harshly about the society while she was awakening, it may have made her harden her love for the org, or dig in her heals.

But by being calm, and displaying love and patience, she too awoke.

She awoke, and joins us here on the forum. That was the best day of my life!

So whatever anyone needs to do to suit their circumstances, I support that.

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Witnesses vying for "who has the biggest trials to cope with"

by stuckinarut2 in

it struck me that witnesses have mastered the art of revelling in "trials and problems" that require "enduring".

of course, the persecution complex, and the paranoia about these "wicked last days" no doubt contributes to this.. if one witness has some health issue, or if another has a family drama, they seem to revel in sharing these stories amongst their witness friends...almost in an attempt to elicit sympathy.. has anyone else noticed this?.

most normal people though outside of the org, simply recognise that life has its ups and downs, and need to be dealt with..

stuckinarut2

It struck me that witnesses have mastered the art of revelling in "trials and problems" that require "enduring"

Of course, the persecution complex, and the paranoia about these "wicked last days" no doubt contributes to this.

If one witness has some health issue, or if another has a family drama, they seem to revel in sharing these stories amongst their witness friends...almost in an attempt to elicit sympathy.

Has anyone else noticed this?

Most normal people though outside of the org, simply recognise that life has its ups and downs, and need to be dealt with.

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Watchtower Ironically Warns It's Memeber About "Propaganda" - Watchtower July 2017

by pale.emperor in

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-july-2017/propaganda-winning-battle-for-your-mind/.

in what is just the height of irony, watchtower warns us about propaganda, and accepting everything we hear/read.

yes, we should ignore those that try to stop us thinking critically as this watchtower article will now teach us.

stuckinarut2

I read a great quote this week:

"To know the Truth and be free, you must first work out which lie is holding you captive"

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"special" anti cart campaign!!

by nowwhat? in

go up to cart witnesses and ask what their organization is doing to aid hurricane victims.

and when they say they look to gods kingdom for the solution.

say your solution is for god kill 99.9 % of humans!

stuckinarut2

The very premise of witnesses is flawed.

Rather than being upset if people are killed, they should be happy for them, as they are now guaranteed a resurrection free pass into the new world right?

Yet, of course, as humans, we are all upset when people are killed in disasters.

So this shows that witnesses deep down do not believe their doctrines....

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Seeking Riches That Are True

by NJ501 in

your thoughts on today's watchtower?.

can you explain?.

how can material possessions be used to strengthen our friendship with god?

stuckinarut2

The article is hypocritically contradictory!

In one paragraph it says that acquiring wealth is bad, and in another paragraph it speaks about being blessed by Jehovah with material things!?!?

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Those who DO NOT get a resurrection?

by stuckinarut2 in

so we know that by jw logic, the idea is that everyone who dies is acquitted of their sin and will get a resurrection in the "new world".

however, those directly destroyed by god, or at his command will not.

(for example, those destroyed in the flood.

stuckinarut2

Jw theology has stated that any who are directly killed by Jehovah will not get a resurrection. They have effectively been given their divine judgement once and for all time.

Hence my question in this opening post. All those listed were killed at the direct direction of Jehovah (if the bible is to be taken literally that is...and that is another topic).

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Those who DO NOT get a resurrection?

by stuckinarut2 in

so we know that by jw logic, the idea is that everyone who dies is acquitted of their sin and will get a resurrection in the "new world".

however, those directly destroyed by god, or at his command will not.

(for example, those destroyed in the flood.

stuckinarut2

So we know that by JW logic, the idea is that everyone who dies is acquitted of their sin and will get a resurrection in the "new world"

However, those directly destroyed by God, or at his command will not. (For example, those destroyed in the Flood. Or those destroyed in Sodom etc...)

So what about the:

-"firstborn sons of Egypt" who god destroyed at Moses time? Exodus 11:4-6, Exodus 12:29

-"davids sons" 2samual 2:11

-"davids son with Bathsheba" 2samual 12:13-14

-children born to prostitutes" Hosea 2:4-5

-child of jeroboam killed because of his "evilness" 1kings 14:9-12

-"Hophni and Phineas killed because of the fathers actions" 1 Samuel 2:30-34

-" 7 of saul's sons and grandsons killed to end a famine" 2 Samuel 21:4-14

-"the wife of Lot" Genesis 19:26

-"a child who curses their parents are to be put to death" exodus 21:17

-"the 42 children killed by the she-bears at Elisha's time" 2kings 2:23-25

So the list can go on and on, but if all these ones were killed DIRECTLY BY, or at the DIRECTION OF Jehovah, have they been judged unworthy of a ressurection?

Feel free to add to the list! The best replies win a free pass into the new world!

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Pioneers Living With Married Couple

by msecodo in

so ... situation:.

a baptized married couple, with no privileges that we know of, have opened their home to 2 unmarried regular pioneers because of the pioneers' financial issues (limited income).. - husband works from home.

- wife doesn't work and stays home or in service.

stuckinarut2

What pale emperor said....sadly, that's so true.

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Judge orders Jehovah’s Witness to release molestation files

by cobweb in

https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/aug/30/citylights-judge-orders-jehovahs-witness-release/#.

judge orders jehovah’s witness to release molestation files.

eighteen years of horror in linda vista.

stuckinarut2

Inexcusable.... simply inexcusable.

"By their fruits you will know my people" Yup!.... clearly..... After all, the God of the bible had no problem with incest, or child abuse, or any number of other awful things (racism, slavery etc). So it is understandable that his "modern organization" also has no problem with it....

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Today's Text - Justifying The Increase Of Annointed Ones!

by Divergent in

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friends

thursday, august 31. jehovah knows those who belong to him.—2 tim.

2:19.. in recent years, we have seen an increase in the number of those partaking at the memorial of christ’s death.

that trend contrasts with the decrease in the number of partakers that we saw for many decades.

stuckinarut2

And yes Stan! You are spot-on!

The 12,000 virgins from "tribes of isreal" is figurative, but the number 144000 is to be taken literally?

The very notion of what is "literal" and what is "symbolic" or "figurative" is amusing....