just wondering what would happen if a brother saying a prayer in a meeting did it in the name of michael the archangel instead of closing the prayer with "jesus christ".
since jw's believe michael is jesus would he be counseled?
what if a brother used the name michael the archangel in their public talks instead of jesus?
But Bobby, If it is indeed his name, then it matters not what his role is at any time.
He is the same person regardless right? If someone calls you "Robert" one day, and "Bobby" the next, they are still referring to you.
So, the opening poster makes a great point. If Jesus and Michael are the same person, (despite different roles), then why not use that name? It is not technically incorrect
my name is jacobi, i am a born-in but mentally out for more or less a decade at this point (although it was cradual) and about 40yo.
i don't want to say a lot about my family, but it is a mix of going-through-the-motions, semi-actives (but mentally in), some who have left for a few reasons and one really depressed pioneer.
because people fade in and out i have managed to slide under the radar and i keep up apperances of not being all-out apostate but i completed my fade about years ago (it also helped i moved to another part of the country).. i might rub some of you the wrong way because of my views on different things like politics.. i am not a trump supporter at all and neither are most people in my country.
Welcome
What part of the world are you in? I'm guessing somewhere in the USA?
don't know if this is a global thing but i've just been told by a pimo member of my old congregation that a min servant has been given the task of destroying all old books/literature in the kh library prior to 1992.. could be the elders (or even one of them) on a mission to stamp out dissent as my ex-wife used the same reasoning to her elder dad that i used in my jc: rutherfords books containing failed predictions.. anyone else heared anything?.
the ms who's been given the task is a company man.
no hope of him keeping them or selling them on ebay.. they have some russell books in that library too.
This happened in my hall.
During a work-day at the hall, The co-ordinator directed that all older books (in this case 1980 and older) were to be boxed up and thrown to the tip.
I was kind of still in, and so objected and stated that "this is part of our rich spiritual heritage", as I had just had a talk on that subject not long before. The talk encouraged us to value all the older books.
In the end, I hid them all under the KHall, and progressively borrowed one after another to check them through. That is when I found out the really crazy stuff "we" used to believe!
These very books, "Our rich Spiritual Heritage" were full of wacky and crazy stuff!
It was then that I understood why they wanted it all destroyed!
just wondering if anyone has gone back to a meeting out of curiosity?
(perhaps to an area far from your old khall where you know no one).
with all the changes from 2012 onwards (videos, tv screens, new meeting format, new songs etc) it would be an odd experience to be in attendance!.
Got any pictures you'd like to share from your visit? @jwfacts?
Did anyone recognise you as Australia's leading apostate?😉
from the wt dated dec 2017 - study 1 para 11 studied by all congregations 4th feb 2018. the question asked on this paragraph is:.
what did the physician luke report happened to a young man, and how did that affect others?”.
paragraph 11 in this wt reads:.
Brilliant thread, and excellent observations Skin!
Yet another example of the WT "adding to the bible"
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Thanks Dub-Stepped!
some time ago a super-dub stopped by to try to encourage me to return to jw land.
my demeanor during our conversation was extremely serious.
i was polite, but dignified.
Yes! They are helping the young people see just how bat-shit crazy the Religion has become!
elders arranged a sort of informal visit by a more capable elder accompanied by another brother who is more qualified than me from academic background.
their purpose was to reason with me as a last resort to avoid a jc.. during the two-hour discussion, i could make my point clear to them: “i don’t think any one particular religion has the whole truth.
it may be existing as bits and piece in all religions and schools of thought.
Remember how the elders were told by the GB in magazines "NOT to be spiritual policemen"?
Yep, well, when it comes to rounding up those who don't want to attend, they become SWAT team policemen!
Always remember that "less is more". The LESS you say, the MORE effective you will be. This is a simple and good line to say "Thankyou, but because I value Truth and Honesty, my conscience will not allow me to attend at the moment. I trust that you will respect this, and respect appropriate boundaries. Take care"
Then say no more when they push. If necessary, simply repeat that line over and over mildly.
have you seen this in the news tonight?
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http://www.dw.com/en/jehovahs-witness-note-taking-challenged-at-eus-top-court/a-42408206.
Thanks for sharing!
just wondering if anyone has gone back to a meeting out of curiosity?
(perhaps to an area far from your old khall where you know no one).
with all the changes from 2012 onwards (videos, tv screens, new meeting format, new songs etc) it would be an odd experience to be in attendance!.
Great comments!
Don't worry, I agree! I have no desire to really ever go back. Certainly no desire to take it seriously...
It was more of a morbid curiosity - like watching a car crash in slow motion....
