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  Scary Effectiveness of Assembly Videos

  by Captain Schmideo2 in

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  well, i got to see the final day of this years regional convention.and i saw something that disturbs me.. the final, "summing up review" video.

  it disturbs me because it was so well done.

  (i wish i could remember the title of the song), to the strains of a solo vocalist singing in a fine "irish tenor", we see the actors from the previous videos of the last few days all assembling together in a clearing.

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  This is so disturbing!

  Can someone find a video of the actual convention clip to embed on this thread?

  Ive seen it somewhere else, but cant work out how to embed it here.

  The paranoia of the Society is really going to extremes
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  Receiving so much hate recently....

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, as you all know, my wife (unstuck) and i are not df or da.. we just stopped attending several years back after my "apostate" online activity was found by a nosey employee of ours while she was working in our office (long story if anyone wants to know - it would have to be another thread).

  we never met with any elders - no congregation judicial activity occurred (as we would never consent to do so anyway).

  so our policy has been to be the same kind, loving, normal people we have always been.

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  Wow!

  I am so appreciative of all these comments everyone! Thank you!

  And to have Unstuck also comment here is priceless! What an amazing gift it is to have one's spouse and best friend out of the cult with me. I know that so many here have not had this positive opportunity - and my heart goes out to you. I see that this puts everything into perspective.
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  The emotionally manipulative techniques JW families use.

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am really disturbed by some methods that jw family members try and use to emotionally manipulate us back into the organization.. one of our fellow posters here has had a family member send several photos of them as a child either out witnessing, and at an assembly.. no words - just those pictures.. it seems such an infantile and manipulative technique to employ?!.

  do they think that we will all simply ignore the logical and factual reasons we no longer attend, just because we see some sentimental picture?

  do they not see that this actually may reinforce our understanding that we were raised as children in a high-control religious group where we had to please our parents.

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  Wow Zeb! your description of "Dragon-Class" is priceless!

  The person in question that prompted my post IS indeed a "dragon"...
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  Receiving so much hate recently....

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, as you all know, my wife (unstuck) and i are not df or da.. we just stopped attending several years back after my "apostate" online activity was found by a nosey employee of ours while she was working in our office (long story if anyone wants to know - it would have to be another thread).

  we never met with any elders - no congregation judicial activity occurred (as we would never consent to do so anyway).

  so our policy has been to be the same kind, loving, normal people we have always been.

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  WOW!
  Thank you all so very much for your genuine comments!

  I appreciate it more than you will know.

  You know, I had thought I was well past all of this. Like really passed it.

  Maybe I am just feeling it this week for some reason.

  But yes. No more "pearls before swine." There will be more reminders to myself that "the windscreen is bigger than the rear-view mirror"

  Love to you all!
  
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  The emotionally manipulative techniques JW families use.

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am really disturbed by some methods that jw family members try and use to emotionally manipulate us back into the organization.. one of our fellow posters here has had a family member send several photos of them as a child either out witnessing, and at an assembly.. no words - just those pictures.. it seems such an infantile and manipulative technique to employ?!.

  do they think that we will all simply ignore the logical and factual reasons we no longer attend, just because we see some sentimental picture?

  do they not see that this actually may reinforce our understanding that we were raised as children in a high-control religious group where we had to please our parents.

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  I am really disturbed by some methods that JW family members try and use to emotionally manipulate us back into the organization.

  One of our fellow posters here has had a family member send several photos of them as a child either out witnessing, and at an assembly.

  No words - just those pictures.

  It seems such an infantile and manipulative technique to employ?!

  Do they think that we will all simply ignore the logical and factual reasons we no longer attend, just because we see some sentimental picture? Do they not see that this actually may reinforce our understanding that we were raised as children in a high-control religious group where we had to please our parents. A group where our worth and value as people was linked to our "spiritual" activities??

  It is classic brainwashing!
  
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  Receiving so much hate recently....

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, as you all know, my wife (unstuck) and i are not df or da.. we just stopped attending several years back after my "apostate" online activity was found by a nosey employee of ours while she was working in our office (long story if anyone wants to know - it would have to be another thread).

  we never met with any elders - no congregation judicial activity occurred (as we would never consent to do so anyway).

  so our policy has been to be the same kind, loving, normal people we have always been.

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  Thanks for the comments Sparrow and Pale!

  I see your points. Yup - well said.
  
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  Another flip flop

  by blownaway in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8hzakyfazc this is a talk this year about how to stay loyal to the cult.

  it talks about not blaming yourself when your child is dfed.

  but wait, when i was in the cult the elders told the parents of dfed children that it was their fault.

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  Great thread. Great comments smiddy and wakeme!
  
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  What Should I Say?

  by cookiemaster in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i need a bit of advice.

  i've been pimo for a long time and fading more and more.

  i occasionally attend for family but never give any answers or actively participate in any way.

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  Great advice above.

  May I ask how old you are? Are you still under your parents roof?
  

  I would also add that you should be happy and appear genuinely open. Don't look like you are being closed.

  But, simply say things like "Thanks for the chat. Its been nice. So how are YOU going brother__? Are you keeping well? How are the visits going? your family? etc..."

  By flipping the dynamic of the conversation from that of you being the "child-like" one to being one who is showing interest in him, you will mess with the power play.

  Be happy and then take your leave.

  Don't commit to anything that leaves you uncomfortable.

  And remember that you have us all here! PM or comment anytime! Many of us have been in that exact situation.
  
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  Receiving so much hate recently....

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, as you all know, my wife (unstuck) and i are not df or da.. we just stopped attending several years back after my "apostate" online activity was found by a nosey employee of ours while she was working in our office (long story if anyone wants to know - it would have to be another thread).

  we never met with any elders - no congregation judicial activity occurred (as we would never consent to do so anyway).

  so our policy has been to be the same kind, loving, normal people we have always been.

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  Hi all,

  Well, as you all know, my wife (unstuck) and I are not DF or DA.

  We just stopped attending several years back after my "apostate" online activity was found by a nosey employee of ours while she was working in our office (long story if anyone wants to know - it would have to be another thread)

  We never met with any elders - no congregation judicial activity occurred (as we would never consent to do so anyway)

  So our policy has been to be the same kind, loving, normal people we have always been. Especially if we run into ones from the congregation. If they are doing cart-work, I even offer to bring them coffees whenever I see them!

  But in the last few weeks, the vitriolic hate has been palpable!

  We ran into a couple at the supermarket. Ones we used to spend quite some time with. He pretended to ignore us. I phoned his cell phone, and he didn't know it was me (obviously deleted my number) and on hearing me say "hi" he lets out a loud "arghh!" and hangs up!

  Another family we were very close to lost a loved one in death. We took flowers around, and they didn't even acknowledge them. She has ignored us. No text response - no thanks or anything. (even my wife who has never been contacted by anyone to see how she fits in with all my "apostasy" by the way. No one has checked on her)
  

  Yet another "brother" I was very close to (we helped them through really intense times in their lives - especially when he was inactive) happened to be near our home working, so I texted him "Hi mate - pop in for a coffee" He texted back " who is this?" When I told him, he called back, and used F^(K bombs! Yup, he actually said "why would I want a coffee with you after the F^(K you pulled?. You should get back to meetings!"

  I was mild and simply said "ok no need for language mate. I'm not sure why a christian needs to use such language. I am just making a sincere offer. Our door remains open to you and your family. We are the same people we have always been. Theres no need for aggression or paranoia. But you have a nice day" He responded with "Mate, I know what you're trying to do by acting all nice to everyone"

  So, its clear to me that the Elders have no doubt ensured that malicious slander has spread like wildfire in the area...

  Our normal kindness is being twisted as some kind of ploy...

  Well, I suppose I have always had the scripture in mind that says "people may be won without a word by virtue of your fine conduct etc"

  But this is proof to me that the hive-mind, cult-mindset is real. JWs can not allow for normal human kindness. I don't blame them as individuals. It isn't their fault.

  They simply don't see it either, that this means that ANY relationship they have - no matter how strong it may be - is so fragile if someone stops being a JW. But one day, if any of them wake up - our door remains open to them.

  And I have to say, that the genuine, sincere friends we know in person locally who have also awoken (such as @wake me and @doubtfull1799) who know about this, have been a great support!
  
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  Sometimes it's the little things....

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm listening to a podcast where a former elder describes how another elder conducted the watchtower study about hyperbole.

  the elder called it hyper-bowl.

  soon the whole congregation called it hyper-bowl.

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  Or how about the English speaking JWs who say:

  'Jeeehovarrr' instead of Jehovah