Ah yes! How on earth can jws be 'stable' when they are constantly being told "you are not doing enough!" "Can you do more?" Etc etc...
The constant FOG (fear obligation guilt) is emotionally and sometimes even physically debilitating!
at least in hindsight it would appear so.
i remember as a small kid not making friends because ultimately they were going to die.
i never saved anything because money would be useless in the new world.
Ah yes! How on earth can jws be 'stable' when they are constantly being told "you are not doing enough!" "Can you do more?" Etc etc...
The constant FOG (fear obligation guilt) is emotionally and sometimes even physically debilitating!
HBDay buddy!
i think my last post i said i went to a new congregation,i'm going to just talk about some of the shit i have seen in my congregation.. there was a kid trying to talk to a adult next to him i think it was his dad,the kid just started taping him because he wanted to tell him something and the dad gets mad then boom the kid gets elbowed.i look around to see if anyone saw him do that to his kid and nope or they didn't want to say anything about it and just like wtf.. in my old congregation,the younger kids would do random stuff in the middle of the meeting to not get board.
when the mom or dad got mad i would see then get dragged to the back of the kingdom hall and hear them start crying.when i was still mentally in i just didnt think about it at all when it would happen but when i woke up im just like thats fucked up..
Oh damn!
Thats so messed up....
I know of one sister who would drag her kids outside to belt them senseless...they would be heard crying out "Jehovah help me!" as they were dragged down the isle...
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...and associated files.... .
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Thanks for the post!
Im in the process of negotiating with the branch in my country to obtain all my data.
So far they have acted dishonestly, duplicitously and patronising by the way they have refused to comply with a polite request.
The requests will be getting less polite soon, and more legalistic....
stay tuned...
just skimmed through the latest broadcast.
( yes - i know , i should really get a life!
a lot of it seems to be regurgitated videos from previous months.
It's great! The very fact that I researched ONLY in the society's older publications was what led me to my awakening!
I had a service meeting talk that was all about "appreciating our rich theocratic heritage" and encouraged all to become familiar with the older publications in the library at the Kingdom Hall!
It was reading all those old books that made me see how batshit crazy the origins of the "truth" were!
i've posted this here so all visitors to this site can see info relating to the great expansion.. the kealba kingdom hall in st albans will be sold.
perhaps worth around au1.4 million dollars.
on two blocks of suburban land with off street parking.
Yet another example of the money grabbing....
i want to suggest something that i've been ruminating on for a while now.
that involves the possibility that when jehovah's witnesses look for "sheep-like ones" what they're actually looking for is this: those who will allow themselves to be dominated (get rid of things that god "hates," accept the movement's beliefs without protest, not check into the movement's history) and those who are willing to be shamed (letting jehovah's witnesses into their homes when doing so is looked down upon in secular society, talking with them on the street when everyone else avoids them).. i say this because from what i observed at the kingdom halls i attended in the course of gathering data for my research i saw:.
-frequent shaming: jehovah's witnesses must do more to be acceptable to god, they are "good for nothing slaves," they are spared through armageddon by jehovah's "undeserved kindness," etc.
Brilliant thread!
Great observations John. And great input from all here. I especially appreciated Wake Me's insights.
Yes, for Jehovah's Witnesses, FOG is very much in play : Fear Obligation Guilt
Would love to see your finished work John!
looking back on my two decades as a jehovah’s witness, i’ve come to realize how the constant theme of endurance is playing a detrimental role on the individual's psyche.. jehovah’s witnesses have become far too good at keeping going.
they’re experts at surrendering to the demands of the watchtower, living up to what’s expected of them, and getting on with the priorities that those in power have defined and imposed upon them.
they keep showing up, presenting themselves a dutiful pioneer or ministerial servant.
Another absolutely brilliant post Wake Me!
Such accurate reasoning, and observations.
Thank you for sharing!
well guys, after a spiritually encouraging convention, i’ve decided to return my heart back to jehovah.
i realize i was just being too negative and i need to adjust my attitude.
just kidding suckers.
Well done for putting up with the propaganda and indoctrination.
I hope it is not too long before you can branch out and live your own life - free of FOG (fear obligation guilt)
as a contractor i travel around for my job, i was stopped this morning to buy some milk at a store in a small village i guess and as i turned a corner i saw 2 elders i know personally manning a cart in the cold outside the store with not a soul in sight and an unlikely place for much traffic even though it was outside a country store.
1 elder is my brother in laws father and the other was in my old cong when i left, i said hello, talked about the weather and general chit chat and was my usual self, they were pleasant also but nothing was mentioned to me about anything spiritual etc.
i know they will be aware of some of my reasons for leaving (the few that i talked about initially before shutting my trap) but they were unwilling to engage in saving my life with their work!
Wow! They were polite to you in public?
Maybe they can teach the ones near me to be the same? My local cart workers are seething with hatred when I try and politely say hi and offer them a coffee!