Posts by sloppyjoe2

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Wasn't a letter about the NGO situation read at the Hall?

by Apognophos in

okay, so i've been seeing the occasional comment here and there on the forum that some jws, even elders, do not seem to have heard about the society ever being an ngo.

am i not remembering accurately?

back when this scandal happened (2001?

sloppyjoe2

Yes, there was a letter read at my hall.

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What Made You Finally Wake Up?

by Tenacious in

hello to all.

i've been on this site for a couple of weeks now posting here and there but have not had the opportunity to read about many of the regular members and what led up to their leaving the wt.. i understand that some of you (i'm part of this club) may not be able to disclose many details and i can appreciate that.. i'd love to hear what was it that finally made you renounce what is and hopefully soon to be "was" the wt.. i truly look forward to having good discussions.. thank you to all for your kind participation.. .

sloppyjoe2

The generations teaching in 1995 was the first time I recall questioning anything, I was only 11 or 12 at the time. Then america online became popular and I would hang out in JW chat rooms where apostates abounded. I never talked to them but always would read what they had to say. Sometimes it made sense and other times apostates fed the idea that the watchtower portrayed them to be, crazy, angry, twisting anything they could. It really did not help what they were trying to do by how some would act.

Anyway fast forward the FIRST apostate website I ever read was freeminds.org sometime in the 90s. My heart was beating very fast as I was on the site. Again I read more stuff that made sense. I believe that's where I first heard of ray franz and his book. I went to the library and read it there for awhile out of fear of someone would find my book at home. Eventually I checked it out and locked it in my meeting bag since it had a combination on it.

After reading the book and I saw Ray had predicted that the generations teaching would need to be changed when he wrote his book in the early 80s and it took God's channel of communication over a decade to do it, that was a big moment of the light bulb going off for me. His book also pointed out about 607. I began researching that and figured out how it was all wrong. That was it for me.

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Wedding question

by lostinthought in

jw
friends

can a witness get in trouble for attending an inactive family members wedding?

just wondering because i am getting married this summer and my mom tried to blackmail me by saying she and other family members would attend but only if i returned to the meeting.

i told her i am not going back to the meetings.

sloppyjoe2

You can even attend a wedding in a church, just not participate in the event there is a religous service along with it.

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Perhaps Eve was really a Neanderthal!

by skeeter1 in

heard this researcher on dr. radio, and wanted to share the story.

science keeps blowing away the pre-biblical notion of adam and eve.. skeeter.

the dna from the 45,000-year-old bone of a man from siberia is helping to pinpoint when modern humans and neanderthals first interbred, researchers say.. although modern humans are the only surviving human lineage, others once lived on earth.

sloppyjoe2

You know when I was younger and believed in adam and eve, I tried to picture just what a "perfect" woman must have looked like. I had quite a few crushes on some super models that I already considered perfect, but eve must have looked even better than them.....Now...you've ruined it!

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When Was Jerusalem Destroyed By The Babylonians?

by Smart in

can someone explain in easy to understand language what this argument is all about.

i am not that clever.

i am hoping to talk to the elders about this as well as whoever is willing to talk about it on here.

sloppyjoe2

I don't want to appear rude as I am really trying to look out for your best interest. What part of you're wasting your time are you not getting? This is only going to end up badly for you.

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When Was Jerusalem Destroyed By The Babylonians?

by Smart in

can someone explain in easy to understand language what this argument is all about.

i am not that clever.

i am hoping to talk to the elders about this as well as whoever is willing to talk about it on here.

sloppyjoe2

SMART all they're going to ask you is if you believe this is God's organization and the governing body are his sole channel of communication. You are wasting your time. Read the hundreds of stories on here of people doing similar things. I don't recall one single instance that the elders agreed and left themselves. You will end up df'd like almost everyone else.

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When Was Jerusalem Destroyed By The Babylonians?

by Smart in

can someone explain in easy to understand language what this argument is all about.

i am not that clever.

i am hoping to talk to the elders about this as well as whoever is willing to talk about it on here.

sloppyjoe2

SMART I think its more of as JWs if you are one and for those of us that were, we felt special. We felt like we knew something that no one else did. We had a hope that no one else had. We could put up with all of our misery because VERY SOON it was all going to be gone. It can be very devastating to learn that none of what you hold true and so close is right. Some have devoted all of their time and energy to the religion and then lose it, losing a purpose in life they felt. That is why people fight it so much. That is why people don't want to hear what they believe might be wrong. It's much easier to cast doubt about the one dissenter than to face the facts. Read the book animal farm. It is a short read but it sums up how the watchtower works from its beginning until today.

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When Was Jerusalem Destroyed By The Babylonians?

by Smart in

can someone explain in easy to understand language what this argument is all about.

i am not that clever.

i am hoping to talk to the elders about this as well as whoever is willing to talk about it on here.

sloppyjoe2

SMART they will come back with "the light gets brigher" and they will ask you if you believe this is Jehovah's organization and the governing body are Jehovah's sole channel of communication. Once you answer in the negative to either of these questions the next thing they will say is, we will establish a judicial committee based on charges of apostasy.

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When Was Jerusalem Destroyed By The Babylonians?

by Smart in

can someone explain in easy to understand language what this argument is all about.

i am not that clever.

i am hoping to talk to the elders about this as well as whoever is willing to talk about it on here.

sloppyjoe2

SMART they will come back with "the light gets brigher" and they will ask you if you believe this is Jehovah's organization and the governing body are Jehovah's sole channel of communication. Once you answer in the negative to either of these questions the next thing they will say is, we will establish a judicial committee based on charges of apostasy.

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When Was Jerusalem Destroyed By The Babylonians?

by Smart in

can someone explain in easy to understand language what this argument is all about.

i am not that clever.

i am hoping to talk to the elders about this as well as whoever is willing to talk about it on here.

sloppyjoe2

One other thing I have also found with JWs and this topic, if they see what you are saying the common response is, so what? "I still believe we are in the last days, look at the wars and sickness and so on. And the preaching work! Who else does the world wide preaching work? JW.ORG, JW.ORG, JW.ORG!!"