Are we as American's even aware of how big this problem is? Do we just not care? According to this article if we weren't allowed to talk about gun control because of a mass shooting, we would never talk about it. 1,052 mass shootings in the US in the last 1,066 days. That's 4 or more people shot per instance.
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Another mass shooting, three or four hours ago.
by James Mixon insan bernardino california.
up to 12 people have been killed.. the center a private non-profit agency that assists people with developmental.
disabilities.
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Another mass shooting, three or four hours ago.
by James Mixon insan bernardino california.
up to 12 people have been killed.. the center a private non-profit agency that assists people with developmental.
disabilities.
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@little_socrates, guns are accessible elsewhere and easily brought in. Where were the law abiding citizens with conceal carry weapons to stop this shooting and protect? No where. Cnn just interviewed a man who said he was carrying a side arm and chose not to use it. Why? Because no fool is going to go up against 2-3 assualt rifles with their little hand gun. I can counter your statement of why didn't gun control laws keep france safe with why have Australia's gun control laws worked? -
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Another mass shooting, three or four hours ago.
by James Mixon insan bernardino california.
up to 12 people have been killed.. the center a private non-profit agency that assists people with developmental.
disabilities.
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I haven't been involved in any Gun debate on here or in person before today. In fact I have never really given much care to the topic. For some reason this yesterday has made me form an opinion on the topic. I was considering getting a concealed carry permit in my state along with my wife, but now as a matter of choice I will not. At least I will live like I believe on the matter.
I have seen multiple facebook posts on the topic of, California bans Assault rifles, how did that work out, Chicago bans guns and they have a huge gun problem. None of those laws matter, when you can get those weapons in the next state over in california's case or outside the city limits in chicago's case. The weapons are still available to anyone somewhere in this country. For the life of me I can't figure out why someone actually thinks owning an Assault rifle is necessary and a right. When would someone ever use it to defend themselves?Next I hear people say you need the guns to fight against the government because we can't trust them. Assault rifles were banned in this country from 1994-2004. If you had already legally purchased one, it was allowed, but no new ones were allowed to be made and sold in this country. I didn't own one then or now, and the government then and now has yet to come and over power me due to my not having any guns.
Banning guns will not stop this. True it will not eliminate these mass shootings altogether, but do we really believe that not having guns easily accessible wouldn't thwart some of these? Using these mass shootings is not the time to discuss this issue? Using fear to promote an agenda? Then when should we talk about it? Twenty children that's 20 were killed in a shooting at Sandy Hook elementary and america's response was FU we love our guns more. America did not care at all to do ANYTHING to change the problem. Why do we make some drugs illegal then, it doesn't stop use altogether. I realize we are just going to debate this for nothing and for the remainder of my life I will have to live with mass killings happening in america. At least people get to keep their beloved guns I guess. -
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Another mass shooting, three or four hours ago.
by James Mixon insan bernardino california.
up to 12 people have been killed.. the center a private non-profit agency that assists people with developmental.
disabilities.
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Aside from the current debate, I can't understand how Americans don't want to do anything about this issue. A guy on a no fly list can still legally buy a gun in this country. Why do we accept this as the norm? If we aren't willing to try anything to stop American citizens from killing each other, why care if terrorists come here to do it? -
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Another mass shooting, three or four hours ago.
by James Mixon insan bernardino california.
up to 12 people have been killed.. the center a private non-profit agency that assists people with developmental.
disabilities.
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sloppyjoe2
As an American, I think that's it's easiest to say, Americans just love their guns more than all the lives of people lost due to these events. That became pretty clear after the sandy hook elementary school shooting. Politically speaking the side of politics that is so adamant about no gun control, is the same pushing to fight foreign terrorism, but isn't so concerned about what Americans do here. -
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What were Satan and his demons "doing" up in heaven, before being "cast down" in 1914?
by Dunedain ini was just thinking about how the wts has been spouting off for years that satan and his demons were cast down to the vicinity of the earth in 1914, but really, when you think about it, what was the difference before 1914 or after 1914?.
its not like satan and his demons did not have access to the earth.
satan and his demons always were messing with earth.
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If you're ever in a discussion with a Jaydub about this, by their own teaching, all of the suffering and problems on earth are because Satan made a bet and Jehovah said you're on. All of it is just one big bar bet. -
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Why are these instances so different than 9/11? They were both carried out under the purpose of religious Jihad. 9/11 had over 2000 more killed, yet there was no end to anything. If you were a JW then you sure we're confident it was the beginning of the great tribulation.
You our have to remember according to JW prophecy predictions, even world war 3 isn't a fulfillment of anything. If the UN isn't given power to shut down religion, it has nothing to do with any bible prophecy. Not that I believe that is going to happen either, but you can't pick and choose what you want or think means the end. It has been clearly defined for decades.
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Make your predictions!
by Coded Logic inthe more specific the better :) here are mine:.
i predict that within the next two to three years (2017-2018) we will start seeing negative numbers in growth.. i predict that within the next thirteen to fifteen years (2027-2030) the number of jws will be less than 4million.. and i predict that by the time the first person sets foot on mars there will already have been a major split in the organization with either one of the gb or a branch overseer starting a new religion..
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I just don't get where people say this "hemorrhaging" of members. In my entire 30 years of being a JW in my city nothing but growth has happened over time. New halls were formed or split and new halls were built. The circuit went from 2 parts to 3 and even now the attendance is almost at the max capacity. Where is this massive members leaving? In my own personal life I don't even know one apostate outside of myself. Most of the people that got df'd in my lifetime eventually came back. Even the young kids that left or got in trouble came back in their late 20s and 30s. -
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Make your predictions!
by Coded Logic inthe more specific the better :) here are mine:.
i predict that within the next two to three years (2017-2018) we will start seeing negative numbers in growth.. i predict that within the next thirteen to fifteen years (2027-2030) the number of jws will be less than 4million.. and i predict that by the time the first person sets foot on mars there will already have been a major split in the organization with either one of the gb or a branch overseer starting a new religion..
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I do love these predictions of demise for the organization that have been on this board for the past 15 years. I predict the organization will grow as always, changes will be made. People on here will continue to predict it's demise and give reasons why, and it won't happen. The org will be around long after we are all gone. -
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Does the W.T have financial problems are are they just rebranding?
by The Rebel init is evident that the w.t has recently re-branded itself, and has become fairly modern in its marketing techniques.
so the organisation is in that respect forward thinking, and the former way of doing things has past.. .
but this rebranding has been done by marketing experts, who maybe realise progress is progress, and that with modernisation many bethelites " even as free volunteers" are possibly no longer required.
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There is more to a cost per bethelite than just the monthly stipend they receive. Everything a bethelite is given access to has a reduced price. They get fuel, auto repairs, commissary food, and so on all supplied with a lower price. Food for 3 meals a day 7 days a week, electricity consumption and what I believe to be the highest cost, healthcare. With the 25 percent reduction you can cut all of that out plus whatever these 25 percent do for work can it now be done electronically or by machine? The costs begin to start to build. This isn't a business to be extremely profitable, they merely want to have more money coming in than going out. As far as waking people up, everyone seems to forget that they had lay offs from bethel out of no where back in the early 2000s. People then who had been at bethel for years were reassigned as pioneers, because, the preaching work needed to be done more quickly. JWs have no memory at all, not one I have spoke to even recalls that being the reason the last time this happened. There was no "waking up", all those people just went where they were reassigned and moved on. The same will happen again.