Posts by sloppyjoe2

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Let's Say 1914 Was The Establishment of God's Kingdom....what is the significance?

by minimus in

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as hillary clinton might say, what difference does it make???.

even if god's kingdom was established in 1914, why is that such a big deal?

other than unprovable actions in heaven, what can jws say is the significance of it all...with a straight face?.

sloppyjoe2

Examining the Scriptures Daily 2002 May 19
"Of course, the number of those associated with Jehovah's Witnesses is not a criterion for determining if they enjoy divine favor."

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The truth about the Governing Body

by Honesty in

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they have none.. .

I haven't read crisis of conscience for many years but I think ray franz indicated at that time at least that the governing body believed in what they were doing. I don't know why they wouldn't believe in it now. Sure they know that unity at all costs is of utmost importance but how successful can you be if you don't believe in what you are doing? I think they do believe in what they do and any type of success is positive reinforcement.

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GB Doesnt Believe in 1914 Anymore My reasoning

by thedepressedsoul in

i have heard a lot of talk over the last year or so if the gb will eventually ditch 1914 and some have even made the claim that most, if not all of the gb do not believe in 1914. ive given this some thought and in the past i wasnt sure.

this annual meeting puts 100%, without a doubt in my mind that the gb do not believe in 1914. id even go as far to say that they talked about that date and have a game plan in mind.. here is why i feel this way:.

there were a lot of changes with the parables at this annual meeting.

sloppyjoe2

What is ironic about this thread and many threads just like it is that eliminating the 1914 year is repeatedly speculated on here, all the while next week there is a part on the service meeting on how to explain 1914. The part then references upcoming articles in the watchtower November 1 that too explains 1914. It's not going anywhere anytime soon!

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GB Doesnt Believe in 1914 Anymore My reasoning

by thedepressedsoul in

i have heard a lot of talk over the last year or so if the gb will eventually ditch 1914 and some have even made the claim that most, if not all of the gb do not believe in 1914. ive given this some thought and in the past i wasnt sure.

this annual meeting puts 100%, without a doubt in my mind that the gb do not believe in 1914. id even go as far to say that they talked about that date and have a game plan in mind.. here is why i feel this way:.

there were a lot of changes with the parables at this annual meeting.

sloppyjoe2

The organization has proven they will and can change anything they want. I think they will always hold on to 1914 with significance. You probably nailed it on the head as it will always be when satan was cast down. I don't think (and I admit I could be wrong tomorrow) they will have to do any significant change until after 120 years has past from 1914. Jaydubs will grasp at anything to make it appear they fulfill old prophecy today. Every JW would gladly hold onto the 120 years of noahs day. Once that goes they will have to create something new. I have no doubt they will create something new and do it successfully when the time comes.

JWs will always say that people should have waited on Jehovah when it comes to people disagreeing with the organization. So even if thousands of people were DFd over 1914, most JWs would shrug that off as those people weren't humble and should have waited. An elder told me a featured video coming up on JW TV is how to explain 1914. So if that happens I don't see them having any plans of changes soon.

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Does money buy happiness and a longer life? You decide...

by Brock Talon in

i poured over time magazine's sep 8-15 2014 edition article "who we are" and put together this spreadsheet on the results from their poll.

i found the statistics quite fascinating.. most people would say that "money doesn't buy happiness", but this poll seems to me to indicate the exact opposite of that.

it also correlates education levels with higher earning that result in that happiness.

sloppyjoe2

Yes money buys happiness. That's my 2 cents...and since it's worth 2 cents and I just gave it to you, you are now happier.

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Preterism

by Chris Tann in

when i started to do my research concerning ttatt, i started to see the scriptures in a different light.

one thing i noticed is that when the epistles talk about the last days, christs presence, the ressurection to heaven; the writers were speaking specifically of their time, not some two thousand years later.

even when jesus speaks of his presence and the kingdom being established, he was talking to his disciples of that time and what they were soon to expect.

sloppyjoe2

I only came to that assumption by what you posted. Your post indicated that's how you felt with no information to indicate otherwise. If you live a fulfilled lifestyle that is fantastic. As I said you are certainly not the first person to make that statement. As far as proof reading, my posts are usually a victim of the auto correct feature on my iPhone.

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Preterism

by Chris Tann in

when i started to do my research concerning ttatt, i started to see the scriptures in a different light.

one thing i noticed is that when the epistles talk about the last days, christs presence, the ressurection to heaven; the writers were speaking specifically of their time, not some two thousand years later.

even when jesus speaks of his presence and the kingdom being established, he was talking to his disciples of that time and what they were soon to expect.

sloppyjoe2

@chris tann

Why is it that you believe living your life if it doesn't revolve around some form of belief system can only be what you suggest? I must have heard 100 JWs so that in my lifetime. If that's all you know what to do other than pursue religion, I'll be happy to give some suggestions.

1. Pursue the work you love..too many of use get up dreading our jobs, go after what you love.

2. Go to a University if you have not already done so.

3. Learn a new language

4. Pursue learning to draw/paint

5. Learn to play a musical instrument

6. Read the top 100 books of a particular topic that interests you.

7. Learn to invest

8. Travel

9. Discover your biggest weaknesses and work on fixing them

10. Meet people of different lifestyles and learn about them, do not judge them

11. Volunteer in charity work

12. Learn to fix a car

13. Challenge your own physical conditioning

14. Learn to cook

There's a good start, no drinking, partying, cussing, or tattoos involved. You can shave everyday with any of these suggestions.

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One Day assembly in Arizona- $17,000 !!

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

i heard from a reliable source that a one-day assembly in arizona last weekend had a "cost" to the publishers of $17,000.. predictably, the elders were nice enough to obligate the attendees to a $6,000 donation to wt before the assembly "costs" (i.e.

"rent/extortion) were even met.

$11,000 rent plus $6000 in extra "donations".

sloppyjoe2

This goes back to there is a per publisher cost added to the overall cost of the assembly. The circuit overseer is told what that is depending on the area of the country who relays this information to the assembly overseer. They get all the total expenditures of the actual assembly plus this per publisher cost and add it together and then read it to the audience.

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Implications of Dropping "Types/Anti-Types"

by Antioch in

i've seen this part of the agm folded in with other topics and poked around, but no really critical discussion of the implications.. .

the hermenuetics of the type/anti-type practice was a big deal to me in realizing the tatt.

i searched high and low for a rational basis for concluding that god was communicating in a type/anti-type format that wasn't special pleading and circular.

sloppyjoe2

@quarterback it really is a smart move I believe. Then JWs can claim that they no longer guess and ONLY go by what what is written in the bible. As we know JWs very easily disregard their past and will do the same about all the speculation they have done. They'll lose some JWs along the way but many more will become JWs after whatever dust this may cause settles.

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GB bitch-slap all apostates with TV.JW.ORG

by gopher123 in

with the launch of tv.jw.org, doesn't this mean that the apostates have won the battles, but finally lost the war?

ezekiel 38 states that in the time of the end, god's people would be prospering with "silver & gold.".

"kiss da rings" bitch!!!.

sloppyjoe2

Simon is right, there is NO WAR. If you are living in a world where you think you are at war with the organization, do yourself a favor and STOP. The organization has 8 million followers, pays no taxes, and gets free money. YOU CAN'T STOP THAT. Look at catholocism, pedophilia was and probably is rampant and it has been made clear the higher ups covered it up for years, yet catholocism is still alive and well. This forum and apostates should just be here to help people leaving and those that have left. There is no war to be won, the organization is not going anywhere. The organization is going to be able to hang their hats on this web site for years to come. JWs are just now starting to wear jw.org pins around to meetings, on the platform and so on. The fever is actually just catching on. The org has tons of videos and things to put up that will keep the fever alive for a very long time. You only lost a war or got slapped in the face if you truly believe you are in some sort of battle with the organization. A JW will only listen to you when they question things themselves first, not any of us sneaking in some information to them.