i stumbled upon this video while doing my periodic youtube search of the keyword "jehovah".
in the video a jw (actually two jws, but only one does most of the speaking) debate an atheist.
the atheist is a mild-mannered iranian who at first seems deceptively easy and clueless (i think it has to do with the fact that english is not his first language), but soon proves he's no walkover - calmly, mildly and civilly.
Just after the 25min mark of the video they are talking about hell fire and the JW guy says concerning hell being a place of eternal torment,
"...other parts of the bible talk about god being a god of justice's. So WE don't think [eternal torment] is just, so how much more so would our creator think that too."
This is a classic case of, "God thinks like me."
This is why agnostics and atheists say man created god; not god created man.
6 weeks ago some jws came to my door.
i've been inactive for 8 years.
after they gave their presentation i told them i was inactive.
Hello Alchemist,
You mentioned that you, "...don't like the direction the world is going."
Did you know that we're living in the best times ever in human history? Being that you were once involved with the JWs means our world view was skewed. My world view was definitely skewed when I was a JW. The JWs teach that the world is getting worse and frankly that's not true.
Have you ever heard of the phrase, "If bleeds, it leads." This is a common saying in the news industry. Shocking news gets views. Here's an article about how the world is getting better:
http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-02-16/why-today-best-time-live-human-history
Also, you mentioned people in the world are "immoral and hateful."
- First, people can be considered immoral in all aspects of society. Knowing that the governing body has taken means to cover over child molesters in the organization, would make anyone with a sensible moral compass know that this is morally wrong.
- Second, I recommend you look at types of morility and what morality truly means. Checkout this good video on morality:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAQFYgyEACI
- Finally, René Descartes a 1600's French philosipher once said,
"If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things."
I employer you to do research into what the JWs really say and think about people who are not JWs, and whether having the idea that people deserve to be destroyed at armeggedon is a correct moral view point.
www.jwfacts.com
not sure if this video has been posted before here or not, but it is a powerful scene.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irfn2gdi.
i haven't watched the entire movie yet, but from this scene alone, i will be..
To Hold me-Thrill me,
You're right, God did not kill the Jews, the nazis did. The question was, "where was god when these atrocities happened?"
What about natural disasters? Certainly fellow humans couldn't kill others with natural disasters. - (Natural meaning these were created by God)
Hold me-Thrill me, please answer the below meme:
since leaving the jws for some reason i have done a lot of research on the mormon faith as well.
i guess it's probably because i can see so many parallels between the 2 religions.
i just thought it was uncanny how the 2 religions both had significant events in their history happen in locations that are with in 1.5 hour drive from each other.
debating this was going to be the last day in field service was not hard after dealing with a nasty mess because i was grouped with the misfits of the kingdom hall!
i was reading this website on my phone while something started to stink in my car and one of the weird kids nobody wanted to work with yelled "hey, you leaking all over my seat, he was freaked out too!
" the older, retired elder, his pioneer daughter had forgotten to put his depends on and that became my problem.
I feel your pain PokerPlayerPhil. You have to remember that a good chunk of JWs are not used to nice things...remember their mindset is, the end is going to happen any day now; so what's the point of nice things or even new/newer things?
Again, remember some of them drive around in beaters that could break down any day now because they were swayed from getting an education or taking that job promotion. Plus with the latest b0rg money begging scheme, these people are broke. So many JWs see nice cars and like them, but not nice enough to respect.
i believe that the best way to inoculate any friend or relative of yours from becoming more deeply involved in the watchtower is exposure to recordings of the judicial process.. that goes for those already in the watchtower---if you can get them to listen.. what in your opinion are the best available online?.
i recommend several.
i am writing this off the cuff and do not have all the exact links, but you should find them easily.. anondud2 - on youtube.
Just wanted to add my recording. It's not a JC but it's a recording of when I was pulled into the backroom and questioned when I decided to no longer turn in field service time.
Things the elders said in my video:
- We shouldn't think.
- Turning in time is not in the bible, but the GB turns in their time; so should we.
- It all boils down to loyalty to the organization.
- Not turning in time is worse than Porn
Video link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&v=Vy3ZlxLEy6U
my elder brother made the mistake of telling me about the wts policy of theocratic warfare.
he first called it 'lying for the truth' then he tried to tone it down to theocratic warfare.
he justifies this position by citing the scriptures that say do not throw pearls to the swine for they will trample them under foot and tear you to pieces.. my question is .
It's interesting to see watchtower ignor its own holy book. They fail to follow what Paul said in Romans 3:5-8, especially versus 7 and 8:
"5However, if our unrighteousness highlights God’s righteousness, what are we to say? God is not unjust when he expresses his wrath, is he? (I am speaking in human terms.) 6By no means! How, otherwise, will God judge the world?
Its obvious watchtower is no different than ever other Christian religion....they pick and choose what scriptures they want to follow.
found this on youtube.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy3zlxley6u.
Hello everyone,
Thanks for watching my video. I did post this awhile back but it's a good refresher for the new ones here. If you get a chance, listen to the last 5mins or so of the video. One of the elders told me not turning in field service time is worse than porn because sexual urges are natural, disobeying the b0rg is not.
Anyways, I have successfully faded out, enrolled into a community college, and never looking back!
Thanks again for your support!
the subject of the study was jesus resurrection .
my post is not about the subject and whether or not that can be believed in.
millions of christians do and it is not my place to debunk religious faith.
I thought about posting a review like this, so glad you did. Thanks!
I wanted to expand on point #2 about eye witnesses. As Matt Dillahunty says,
"Right now, you can go and talk to people who think they have seen aliens or even been abducted by them. I'm sure you'll find well over 500 people that claim this. So does this prove aliens exist?"
This whole watchtower study was a coo call to the choir. Anybody with an once of thought could pick through these logical fallacies.
full set: http://imgur.com/a/z4k2t.
sample:.
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Blackfalcon98:
"Reading these letters are a good reminder: THIS ORGANIZATION DOESN'T GIVE A SHITE ABOUT ANY PUBLISHER, OR ELDER, OR TRAVELING OVERSEER, OR BETHELITE!"
Not only does the b0rg care less about them, they also care less about people or personal property:
Point/Paragraph 31 Under No Trespassing signs at Individual dwellings
....."In addition, we are living in litigious times." ....
By this statement, watchtower is obviously getting sick of all the lawsuits coming their way, especially with the child abuse cases.
Hey watchtower!, these are not litigious aka "unreasonable" lawsuits. If someone breaks a law, there's consequences and penalties for doing that!!!
