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  The WT's biggest deception?

  by BU2B in

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  2. friends

  it just dawned on me that one of if not the most deceptive thing that the wt convinces the members of is that the truth does not stand up to investigation.

  they teach that lies trump truth.

  the reality of course is something entirely different.

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  Jesus never walked away from his opponents (only when he had to run for his life).

  
  
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  Attention all Bethelite Lurkers!

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  you have your bethel watchtower study on a monday evening, as i understand it.therefore, prepare your hearts and your bible trained consciences to "test the inspired expressions" being presented as bible truth in the next study article - especially this one;w14 11/15 p. 26 par.

  "acts 1:8 - "you will be witnesses of me...." [jesus]john 1:15 - "john bore witness about him..." [jesus]john 5:37 - "the father who sent me has himself borne witness about me.

  "revelation 12:17 - ".......and have the work of bearing witness to jesus.

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  Absolutely correct.
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  Is this why the book is grey?

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the 2014 revised edition of "what does the bible really teach?

  " uses the text of the 2013 nwt.

  i therefore assume this is the reason for the grey colour of the "bible teach" book.. examples of the adjustments appear at pages 216 and 217 of the book:.

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  Is it gey or gray?

  Anyone has a complete overview of the differences between the first edition of this book and the current version?
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  Caleb talks to his mother about the new system.

  by LogCon in

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  2. beliefs

  mom: yes?.

  you dont want to make jehovah sad, do you mom?.

  mom: okay.. .

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  Is there access to the speech in which Losch made his statement around burying bodies?
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  Jehovah’s Witness elder jailed for 12 years for multiple sexual offences against young girl

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/2014/11/29/david-dennis-gunnislakeharrowbarrow/.

  david dennis gunnislake/harrowbarrow.

  29 saturday nov 2014. posted by author in cornwall.

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  I noticed the Pearse family to be most important to this congregation: 4 members are trustees.....
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  Jehovah's Witnesses win partial victory over gated communities. Too little too late?

  by Balaamsass2 in

  1. social
  2. current

  monday, november 24, 2014last update: 1:00 pm pt.

  jehovah's witnesses win community access case.

  by jack bouboushian .

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  Zoos, I understand your point. But at the same time, the Watchtower does not pay any taxes and still make use of legal system (judges) which are paid for by the tax payer. It could be seen as a valid point if the access was needed to support the community. But this access request is only in their own benefit.
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  When Was Jerusalem Destroyed By The Babylonians?

  by Smart in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can someone explain in easy to understand language what this argument is all about.

  i am not that clever.

  i am hoping to talk to the elders about this as well as whoever is willing to talk about it on here.

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  Smart, do your own research first and then draw your conclusion. And only if you really feel strong enough and are ready to accept the consequences, approach your elder(s).
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  Ever notice how JW's can attend a talk or Convention and remember nothing?

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how many times have you asked a jw who has attended a public talk how the talk was, only to be told it was so great!

  yet they cannot remember the title nor any one single point except that the brother was "funny" or was good with illustratiions or some other vauge point?

  and conventions weren't far off either.

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  Good question. I noticed exactly the same. Even on JW friendly sites, I always read the same: how encouraging, great speeches, we need to have more of this etc. Then I ask what the key points were that were so encouraging, great etc, I never get an answer......
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  That is what New Light is all about

  by FatFreek 2005 in

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  sometimes small children can see through stupid.. .

  len miller.

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  Black light is also a light

  The bible has not changed for centuries. It contains still the same message, the principle, the same objectives. If one sticks to that source, you would not have to change doctrines, policies every 6 to 12 months, you do not have to criticize other denominations as ALL have their own agenda and you can actually be happy.
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  Preaching is a waste of time

  by konceptual99 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  before anyone gives me the "bears/wood" similarities, this is a post based on insidethekh's reply on the mormon v jw thread.

  (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/287545/1/who-is-copying-who-jws-or-mormons) i like to see wt friendly posts on here as some of the wt bashing displays the same logical fallacies as levelled against the wts and it's followers so it's good to consider reasoned debate.. on the one hand i think itkh makes a fair point if you compare the worldwide success of mormons v jws but there is an overall context to the preaching work that is completely ignored by those fully "in" and has been a major factor in my move from being an active witness to one on the cusp of getting out.

  from a statistical point of view there are great headline numbers presented by the wts but if you put them in the context of the number of witnesses, conversation ratios, ratio of new witnesses to birth rates, numbers that must be leaving, growth differentials across the globe, penetration in muslim nations and so on then these numbers become meaningless.

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  I do not think numbers are relevant at all. I see there are some doubts about the numbers reported by LDS. What about the numbers reported by WBTS? How do we know they are reliable? My point is, the WBTS has not always been "correct" in quoting others. Also te NWT has translation "errors". Various doctrines had to be revised as they turned out to be "incorrect". But many other religous organisations have a similar reputation.

  The topic was about preaching. Preachng is a good things, whether done by LDS or JW or any other CHristian denomination. Preaching can be done in many ways, as most important is to love your neighbor. It is good to tell people about the good news of the Kingdom, of Jesus etc.

  But I do agree that the WBTS by far exeggerate the effectiveness of their preaching method. The nett growth is very small and compared to population growth, it is almost negligible. Again, for me it is not the numbers but as the organisation uses numbers to prove how successful they are, it shows they are not at all successful. On average (according to published numbers in Yearbook), it takes about 13000 hours of preaching to win one new person.

  Last August the organisation organised (pushed) the, as they called it, largest preaching effort ever. Well, preaching, it was more a sales campaign to promote their website. I checked around and did not find any newspaper article mentioning this campaign. It is not uncommon or the organisation to use words like: historic event, unsurpassed, amazing etc, when referring to their works. In the new proclaimers book there is something about changing the way congregations are organised. The book refers to this change as an historic event.

  The actual objective of the preaching work by JW's is not to proclaim the good news of the kingdom and of the king (Jesus) but to convert them to become JW's. That is why JW's preach to people from other Christian denominations, of whom, many already are aware of the kingdom. Most people do not want to become a member of a religious organisation. They in principle can be interested to learn about the bible and the kingdom, but that is it. And even much fewer people want to become a JW. As the objective is to convert people to become JW's, many people actually do not get to hear the good news if they indicate they do not want to become a JW. From there on, the JW will no longer visit the person.

  In summary, if one is interested in large numbers, join the Catholic Church, the Anglican Church or convert to Islam or Hindu.

  If one is interested to learn about the bible, start reading and search for good discussion forums and, if interested, visit a congregation that is not aiming to convert you to become a member and that in essence teach bible princples.

  If one want to become a member of a religious organisation, do some research first to assess the impact of such membership on your daily life. All these memberships come at a price. Yes, in general JWs live a morally clean life and are also in principle honest to their fellow JW's and people in general, which may sound appealing to to others, in particular to those who feel alone or abandoned.