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  to lie or to deceive (w 12/2016, par 18, 19)

  by George One Time in

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  why not use a biblical example, like jacob when deceiving his father isaac?

  jehovah himself seems to have no problem with deceiving.

  or 1 kings 22:19-22 "who will deceive ahab?

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  menrov

  so, all doctrines with a grain of truth are still a lie....hmm

  go figure
  
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  What crime should elders report?

  by kramer in

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  so, i am trying to get my head around what the right position of elders should be when they come across crime is.. i think i get the issuess around clergy confidentiality - and how that might potentially be breached when they talk about it to other elders, let alone the police.. but if people are saying that elders - or clergy of another faith should report crime to the police when it is confessed to the, then where are the boundaries.. so if someone says they should report to police on a confessed example of child abuse, that's one thing.. how about reporting to police consensual sex between a 19year old and 15 year old - which is statutory rape in the uk.

  how about criminal fraud if they come across it.

  assault on a congregant?.

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  menrov

  In my view it is simple. When an elder is made aware of a crime, he should tell the person that he is not authorized in this matter and that clergy confidentiality does not apply here. And then stop the discussion, tell the person to go to the police and if the person does not, tell the person that you are going to report him.

  It is like with hospitals and doctors. There is a medical confidentiality unless crime is involved (shot wound, child molestation or home violence etc). In such cases, hospital or doctor is obliged to report.

  Even if the law would not really oblige a clergy to report what is considered a crime, it should be his Christian conscience. But it all start with the clergy to say that the conversation is not subject to clergy confidentiality if the person is going to tell of a crime he committed.

  Unfortunately, many elders (WBTS and other religions) feel they are above the secular laws and even above the law of Christ and act as they are capable and serve as police officer, detective, judge, jury and...oh yes, clergy.
  
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  21 May Branch Visit by Reino Kesk in Italy...........ohohohoho!!

  by LaFrancia in

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  news from the bethel of italy very soon ?.

  the properties in rome, will be sold ?

  will remain only germany bethel in selters and in italy will remain only.

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  And? anything of interest?
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  Psalm 23

  by Truthexplorer in

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  menrov

  In my view only the apostles will be on thrones (24 in total) . Other 12 for patriarchs. All others ? Somewhere but not on thrones. Can be heaven can be elsewhere. Just my view.
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  May 16, 2016 TO ALL CONGREGATIONS IN BRITAIN Re: Donations to the Worldwide Work Using jw.org

  by wifibandit in

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  may 16, 2016 to all congregations in britain re: donations to the worldwide work using jw.org.

  adding it to the list.... may 2015 broadcast.

  jehovah will care for our needs.

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  menrov

  Funny...opening of letter is Dear Brothers....

  No sisters....well...lucky them
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  Dutch TV crew kicked out of Circuit Assembly

  by Anders Andersen in

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  2. scandals

  in the netherlands, a tv crew for powned (a website/tv station known for their non-conventional approach and love for controversy) visited a circuit assembly.

  the video starts with them asking 'is everyone welcome here, even criminals, bikers, gays?

  ', and the answer is of course yes.. then the clip focuses on asking dubs questions about gays and the caleb video.. in the end the crew is asked to stop filming and leave.

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  Actually nothing special. The spokesman mentioned that a person can be born with a deviation but that does.not mean the person should give in / practice it. No real tough questions in my view...normally these reporters are far more challenging
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  An Atheist gives Credit To Religions

  by smiddy in

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  even though i now consider myself an atheist and have little time for religion as such , i have to acknowledge that some religious institutions , and even some i would consider a cult more so than others , do a fantastic job in the field of charitable works.. for so many in our communities who are disadvantaged ,in one way or another , the down and outs , for a better phrase , those that have succumbed to alcoholism , drug dependency , mental illness in it`s many forms , homeless people , juveniles suffering abuse of one sort or another at home , domestic violence , etc.

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  the list just goes on and on .. yet their are religious charitable institutions who are at the forefront of helping these people offering and lending a hand both physically , emotionally , and even financially to support these people without judging them .. so even though i consider myself an atheist i can commend what these religious institutions do to for these people... i can`t say the same thing for jehovah`s witnesses who will take , take , take and give nothing in return.. smiddy.

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  Talesin, thanks. Only when one leaves the WBTS it becomes obvious and clear that it is the WBTS that hardly does any charity at all and that, in contrast to the WBTS teachings, many other religious organizations spend plenty of their funds and network to do good in the community and beyond.
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  CHILD BAPTISM

  by megabyte_vijay in

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  it is strange to read the last week watchtower that encouraging child/teenagers' baptism.

  even jesus was baptised as his 30. jws encouraging marriages at an older age.

  but why they are encouraging children to get baptised.

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  There is absolutely nothing in the scriptures that supports child baptism. But JW's need numbers and control.

  The last WT article on this is actually very scary as it does not involve the role of the parents at all. A baptized child (yes, anyone legally not allowed to make its own legal decisions , ie. enter into a contract) becomes accountable to the organization, not to its parents A teenager who has sex will likely be punished and / or DF'ed and the parents have officially no say in this at all.

  Most scary.
  
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  questions

  by Schilderijtje in

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  2. bible

  we are two students from holland, who would like some information about jehovah witnesses.

  especially about the invisible return of jesus.

  on which bible scripts do you ground this?

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  Jullie kunnen mij een pm sturen. Ik wil jullie best helpen. Ik hoor het wel.
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  New Anti Gay Cartoon Video not available in German

  by Daniel1555 in

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  2. scandals

  the lesson 22 video or better called anti gay video went viral.. there is another thread that main dutch media covered it in their articles.. i wanted to write to one of the biggest swiss newspapers about it.

  that newspaper also covered the controversy about the "meeting" cartoon, where the message is made that if jw children don't listen at the meetings they might get killed finally.. then i realized that it is not available in german.. it is available in so many other languages, like guarani (never heard of that language), but german is missing.. are they afraid to offer it in german?

  do they expect too much controversy in germany?.

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  menrov

  Hi, I am Dutch (stubborn, inactive JW etc etc :-) ) You said above: there is another thread that main dutch media covered it in their articles

  Where can I find that?

  
  

  Thanks. Bedankt