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Quick! Help Needed for TTATT!!!

by HeyThere in

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my husband is actually asking me questions about the governing body saying they are the mouthpiece of jehovah and the whole jesus invisible rulership in 1914 etc.

i am looking up stuff now to show him but if you have any proof, qotes, etc.

to help me wake up my husband please send to me now asap!.

HeyThere

thank you so much i have already started printing stuff out he caught me by surprise askimg about it. earlier i had memtioned the donation arramgement. i wasnt there when the letter was read, but i asked him about it. i had already given him a heads up before ot was read, and told him that i was going to see if the info i found about jws was legit if this letter was read. so yes, letter was read, he didnt quite understand it so i explained it to him. end of convo. so tonight, he said that he will seriously start thinking about all this if they pass out anything askimg about a monthly pledge. then he asked about 1914 and the gb being Jehovahs mouthpiece on earth....i also told him tonigjt that i take dedicating my life to God very seriously amd wamt to make sure the religion i choose is not claiming false things.

oh...we also got into a debate about beards....he mentioned he misses his goatee but is self sacrificing to please jehovah...even our 12 year old jumped in like what??? why would jehovah care about a beard???? funny thing, we were doing family wt study and were on the page with the pic of the apostles and their.....BEARDS!!!!! we had a little fun with that one!

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Quick! Help Needed for TTATT!!!

by HeyThere in

jw
friends

my husband is actually asking me questions about the governing body saying they are the mouthpiece of jehovah and the whole jesus invisible rulership in 1914 etc.

i am looking up stuff now to show him but if you have any proof, qotes, etc.

to help me wake up my husband please send to me now asap!.

HeyThere

My husband is actually asking me questions about the governing body saying they are the mouthpiece of Jehovah and the whole Jesus invisible rulership in 1914 etc. I am looking up stuff now to show him but if you have any proof, qotes, etc. to help me wake up my husband please send to me now asap!

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Just Read Silentlamb.com For the First Time

by HeyThere in

i am feeling so emotional right now.

crazy doctrines aside, these child abuse cover-ups are horrendous.

add them together and i feel like there is a churning black hole sucking the souls out of these children.. now, i realize there are boys who were abused as well, but i get this overwhelming feeling that girls/women are simply not valued and/or taken seriously or accused of being liars or demonic or, even worse, viewed as a harlot, whore, or temptress in the majority of situations, no matter the age or the brutality of the rape.

HeyThere

I am feeling so emotional right now. Crazy doctrines aside, these child abuse cover-ups are horrendous. Add them together and I feel like there is a churning black hole sucking the souls out of these children.

Now, I realize there are boys who were abused as well, but I get this overwhelming feeling that girls/women are simply not valued and/or taken seriously or accused of being liars or demonic or, even worse, viewed as a harlot, whore, or temptress in the majority of situations, no matter the age or the brutality of the rape. It is just sick.

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Some Watchtower Covers.

by Beth Shan in

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" Jehovah Witnessism......the only religion where putting a paper cut finger in your mouth subjects you to eternal damnation. What a friggin cult."

rotflmbo

Sad yet...still so funny!

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Another Gem from the Golden Pen of the Faithful Slave

by Slidin Fast in

look at this pile of steaming horse sh*t. this is meant to soften the horror of this god of war destroying 7,000,000,000 men, women and children in a holy jihad.

draw close book p 65 .

19 consider an illustration: suppose that a mans family was being attacked by a vicious animal and that the man jumped into the fray and killed the violent beast.

HeyThere

Oh my...I totally have not been keeping up with the reading. I am not surprised though, this religion is nutz.

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"we must be ready to obey, even if it doesnt sound reasonable from a human standpoint"

by stuckinarut2 in

so its now all clear!.

the reason why that damned wt article several months back said the quote:.

"we may be asked to do something by jehovahs organization, and we should be ready to obey even if it doesnt seem reasonable from a human standpoint or not".

HeyThere

Longhairgal said: So sad. I do believe many JWs are like the proverbial frogs in the water who are boiled to death and they can't even see what is happening to them...It is a sad state of affairs in the religion. First, you check your brain at the door. Then, you are told to let down your guard and "widen out". There are too many ways to be victimized in that place. All the togetherness and nosiness is not normal. People do not respect boundaries.

It really is. At first it sounds so sonderful - I mean who wouldn't wan to live forever in paradise with no sickness or death? And the love-bombing - I mean these people are amazing at this! Hugs, kind words, I am always told I am so beautiful, I am so smart, they love me like I am a flesh and blood sister...and even my 12 year old told me : "Mom, you know they will stop talking to you when you stop going! They are not real friends!" This was said to me by my child when I was trying to point out some positives about the people there.

She hates going, she doesnt believe it and will not get sucked in...but she goes along with it very well. We are both trying to be stategic, and I have told her that no matter what anyone ever tells her, that she should never blindly believe anything or anyo one without checking it out first.

Now how sad is that when you have to strategize about your "friends"???

Now I have noticed that most JWs that I meet are either born-in, raised in, or married in. I have yet to meet anyone that isn't older that just joined up...has anyone else noticed that?

Lemings...

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Hey There...An Introduction to a Married IN nonDub (unbaptised pub)

by HeyThere in

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hey there all, i just wanted to take a moment to introduce myself and thank you all for this wonderful site and all the helpful discussions sich a loving arrangement .

my name may (or may not) be tracee.

i may (or may not) live in texas.

HeyThere

Biblestudent: The thought-stopping I have noticed he says/uses most is basically "Well, I can see the positive change in my life and our family, so despite some things thats may be off this is what I believe..." or something about how actions of a few imperfect men will not taint Jehovah or his beliefs...he has also commented about how jw are the only ones out there preaching, etc.

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"we must be ready to obey, even if it doesnt sound reasonable from a human standpoint"

by stuckinarut2 in

so its now all clear!.

the reason why that damned wt article several months back said the quote:.

"we may be asked to do something by jehovahs organization, and we should be ready to obey even if it doesnt seem reasonable from a human standpoint or not".

HeyThere

" I feel very sorry for any remaining JWs who are gullible enough to listen to this garbage . The whole religion is just tragic . That's all I can say."

I couldn't agree more with this. I feel sorry for the smitten witnesses who are so faith-struck they can't even see the chaos in their midst. My own husband is right there with them.

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Hey There...An Introduction to a Married IN nonDub (unbaptised pub)

by HeyThere in

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friends

hey there all, i just wanted to take a moment to introduce myself and thank you all for this wonderful site and all the helpful discussions sich a loving arrangement .

my name may (or may not) be tracee.

i may (or may not) live in texas.

HeyThere

Frazzled said: It is so difficult for born-ins to throw off the WBTS shackles until they see the TTATT. It is very unfortunate that he has fallen under their mind control again. The thing that I have learned is that you have to get him back to putting the family first and get him to realise that the uncondititonal love of his family is better than the conditional sense of belonging at the KH.

Yes, I am learning more about how tied in they are. And his family is JW. That will make it more difficult. I am trying to focus much love and not beat up the topic with him about the dubs. He has brought it up a few times but does get emotional. I hope that our unconditonal love will help him out. Thank you Frazzled.

Nonjwspouse said: The WT is insidious and destructive. It creates or exacerbates deep emotional/mental problems with the members. I wish I knew this before the second date with my decades long "physically out but mentally in" husband. I love him but I would not have gone on the second date if I knew this. Life is too short....

Yes, I am jut realizing just how destructive they are. Controlling jerks! I have had the same thoughts, that if I would have known then I would not have gotten involved...I definately know I would have handled things MUCH MUCH MUCH differently. Your right - life is too short.

Lisarose said: I would not share anything more about what you are learning here, it's just going to cause him to revert to cult mode. I would simply ask leading questions designed to get him to think. Don't react one way or another, let him express his honest feelings. Family study would be perfect for this. Ask questions that he may have to look up the answers to. The Watchtower literature is full of nonsense that they published in the past that they try to hide or minimize.

Good advice Lisa, as he definitely goes into cult mode during some convos. What if I left little printouts around the house? I will be asking some serious questions from the sister I study with. I have already began so it will seem normal to her. I mentioned the sex scandals...she had no idea about them! How could she not know anything about them? oh yeah...its a cult!

Abiblestudent said: I s there a way to help him see that those life-changing events are not good reasons to become more active in the WTBTS? He is convinced tht the dubs have helped him become better. That will be very difficult and I will have to maintain that the principles of living in the bible are good - but the cult mentality and lies is not. I am trying to navigate how to do this...not fun! Does your husband love the WTBTS more than you and his children? He loves us more. I believe he loves us more... If he does love you more, how would your husband react if you and all your children went on a three day vacation far from your home and explained why you do not believe that the WTBTS is God's channel for Christians by relating your individiual stories to him, the questions that caused you doubts about the WTBTS, and that you will never return to the WTBTS? He may not be ready for that yet. I have to plant some seeds now. And let them take hold. He has already admitted there are some beliefs that he does question, so there is hope...

jgnat said: IMHO, your husband is going through a mid-life crisis. His extended family is aiding and abetting this dastardly conversion back to the Witnesses. I suspect also he is like my husband in that he dreads his own mortality, his frailty.

I would agree, but it was more like addiction issues that got out of control resulting in some very poor decision making (ahh, mid-life) which led me to seek divorce. When faced with losing his family, he immediately went on the straight and narrow. That led to him getting back into the dubs, I am sure at the urging of his family, months after he was clean and sober.

Sorry I didnt get a chance to respond to everyone, I do appreciate every single one of the responses.

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Hey There...An Introduction to a Married IN nonDub (unbaptised pub)

by HeyThere in

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friends

hey there all, i just wanted to take a moment to introduce myself and thank you all for this wonderful site and all the helpful discussions sich a loving arrangement .

my name may (or may not) be tracee.

i may (or may not) live in texas.

HeyThere

First off, thank you all for the kind comments, tips, and support. This whole experience has been...un-nerving.

As I have been uncovering more TTATT, I have also been uncovering just how much of an impact the JW's had in my relationship with my husband.

To clarify the story further, I became pregnant while my husband and I were dating (he was not active at that time). He lived with me. While I was pregnant, he became active again, and shortly after I had the baby he moved out and basically "ended" the relationship with me officially, yet was still over every day to spend time with us. We went places together, etc. I began studying with one of his family members. I finally became fed up with it all, and I began a relationship with another man - afterall, we were not together, he would not even sit with me at meetings, and was just being...weird. Things blew up. I stopped studying. He faded, and a few years later we did end up back together and married.

At the time it was all happening, as a never been a dub, I had no idea what had been going on. I later found out, after the ish hit the fan, that he had been planning to propose. He never told me, one of his "spiritually weak" family members did. But I still didnt fully understand.

During this past year, I have come to uderstand the dynamic at play, and know what took place now. At it is just effed up! When we first came back I didnt know the details of the religion. Now that I know how crooked and deceitful they are, well, it pisses me off. And he is so blind to it.