Hi The Fall Guy
yeah, thanks, I posted this a couple of days back, on Saturday..... in the 2017 Annual Meeting thread.....
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5134799058501632/_post/6251129845317632
darkspilver
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ANNUAL MEETING LETTER - To Zimbabwe congregations
by The Fall Guy ina nonprofit corporation .
watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania .
private bag wg-5001, westgate, zimbabwe telephone 08677 004 012; 0772 472 403/4 .
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At the annual meeting right now . . .
by neat blue dog ini'm at the recorded meeting right now.
trying to hide my disgust sitting up front listening to geoffrey jackson quibble about the pharisaical minutai of sanctification vs. vindication.
the audience is thrilled that they now have 'permission' to say god's name can be vindicated.
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neat blue dog: Stephen Lett just said that God gave Jesus "immorality" in the heavens. The audience laughed and he corrected himself.
Interesting.....
LOL they removed the “rewarded with immorality immortality” f#ck up by Stephen Lett from the Sunday rebroadcast.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/74rger/annual_meeting_2017_megathread/do31auq/
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I'm starting a Counter-Watchtower magazine
by Counter-Watchtower inim starting a counter-watchtower magazine for everyone to give to their jw friends and family or just to give to those that come to your door.
the first issue is about the history of pyramidology of c.t.
russel and under the start of rutherford along with some other things like pointing out the fact that no one knows the translators of the nwt or writers of the watchtower, "the two very things relied on to teach you".. its writen in such a way to be very repectful but to make the reader think, and hopefully the light come on.
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skin: This reminds me of the magazines called Witchtower.
haha, I was trying to think what it was called - thanks!
You can download the two 'Bound Volumes' of The Witchtower here:
Both years consist of 12 monthly issues, 192 pages total each year
http://www.svhelden.info/pdf/Witchtower_2009.pdf
http://www.svhelden.info/pdf/Witchtower_2010.pdf
Some of the articles are 're-printed' online here:
https://thewitchtower.wordpress.com/
Then there is also....
Young People Ask
http://www.svhelden.info/pdf/ypc.pdf
Our Kingdom (Boredom) Ministry
http://www.svhelden.info/pdf/obm_01_2008.pdf
http://www.svhelden.info/pdf/obm_02_2008.pdf
http://www.svhelden.info/pdf/obm_03_2008.pdf
http://www.svhelden.info/pdf/obm_04_2008.pdf
Babylon the Great has Fallen / Revelation
http://www.svhelden.info/pdf/babylon_e.pdf
The English language Witchtower was based on a German language magazine called "Erbrechet!" ("Erbrechet!" means "Vomit!" but sounds like "Erwachet!" which is the German title of "Awake!".)
Three 'Bound Volumes' are available:
http://www.svhelden.info/pdf/Erbrechet_2008.pdf
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Apostasy: The Movie - Directed by Daniel Kokotajlo
by darkspilver indaniel kokotajlo's new film apostasy has it's world premiere at the toronto international film festival in september 2017. apostasy.
family and faith come into conflict for two jehovah’s witness sisters in manchester, when one is condemned for fornication and the other pressured to shun her sibling.. this fresh, unadorned first feature from director dan kokotajlo carries an unmistakable note of authenticity from its very first scenes.
set in a jehovah's witness community in england, the film's strength and power lies in its directness.. apostasy depicts the growing rift in a family — a mother and two daughters — who are rigorously devoted to their religion.
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thanks cobweb for the Variety link
Demonstrators Picket London UK Premiere of ApostasyTonight - Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 6.00pm at Picturehouse Central Cinema
Placard waving demonstrators outside front of cinema....
https://twitter.com/bectu/status/917073690495471616
https://twitter.com/CPHLivingWage/status/917121142015569921
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The Watchtower's Real Crisis
by JeffT inwhen discussing the watchtowers financial problems, i've generally been of the opinion that they probably are not in a real financial crisis.
i've come to believe that money may be something of an issue, but its wrapped up in a much larger problem.
this came to me this morning when reading about the annual meeting.. i think the society's leadership is just plain out of ideas.
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JeffT: I think they're cutting back on magazines, not to save money, but because nobody can think of anything to put in them.
But then - if you look outside-the-box - and add the reduced magazine content to the JW Broadcasting Monthly Magazine Programme content, WT is actually saying the same amount of 'content' as pre-2005
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5956889756041216/_post/6294936632688640
Of course it might not be the same quality, but it is still 'content'.
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2017 Annual Meeting
by Jules Saturn inthis just in from the 2017 annual meeting:.
1. watchtowers and awakes won't be released regularly, at least three watchtower and awakes per year.
6 magazines a year.. 2. a new book is being released: remain in god's love, more of an update like how they did for the what does the bible really teach book.
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Pistoff: As I figure it, the decrease in output from when I was a child is 97%. 24 magazines per year, 32 pages, down to 6 issues per year at 16 pages.
Please EXPLAIN your maths - are you taking just about the magazines??
Previously - pagesWatchtower: 12 x 32 pages = 768
Awake: 12 x 32 pages = 768
Annual Total = 1,536-pages-a-yearFuture - pages
(assuming public are 16 pages and study is 32 pages - not confirmed yet!)
Watchtower (public): 3 x 16 pages = 48
Watchtower (study): 12 x 32 pages = 768
Awake: 3 x 16 pages = 48
Annual Total = 864-pages-a-yearTherefore a 43.7% reduction of pages designed/laid-out
Previously - wordsWatchtower (Jan 15, 2005): 12,350 words x 12 = 148,200
Awake (Jan 22, 2005): 11,300 words x 12 = 135,600
Annual Total = 283,800-words-a-year
Future - words(assuming public are 16 pages and study is 32 pages - not confirmed yet!)
Watchtower (No 1, 2016): 5,230 words x 3 = 15,690
Watchtower (Jan 15, 2016): 12,000 words x 12 = 1440,000
Awake (No 1, 2016): 4,150 words x 3 = 12,450
Annual Total = 172,140-words-a-yearTherefore a 39.4% reduction of word content
BUT - isn't JW Broadcasting's Monthly Programmes really a kinda magazine programe?
JW Broadcast (Aug 2017) = 9,560 words x 12 = 114,720
Annual Total = 114,720-words-a-yearTherefore, including the JW Broadcasting Monthly Programmes - the WT is actually 'writing' the SAME amount of 'content' as previously
Yeah, I know the public don't watch JW Broadcasting, but then, how many of the public actually read an entire magazine (haha, how many JWs did/do??)
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Simplified study watchtower
by Saltheart Foamfollower inthere seems to be some confusion over what is happening with the study edition of the watchtower - i notice it isn't mentioned in the letter to be read out.
if, as seems likely, it is going to be dumbed down even further then i think this could be the first step to shortening the watchtower study (to 30 mins?
) - it is the only meeting not to have been reduced in recent years.
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konceptual99: The Spanish edition of the study was turned into a single edition a while back.
Oh yeah, I forgot that
Here's the discussion / letter:
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Door-to-door Going Forward
by berrygerry ini found that the sale (placement) of books and magazines was always a challenge, but it was still attainable.
when the magazines switched from semi-monthly to monthly, magazine calls were automatically cut in half.
return visits that were made "just to say hi" were hugely awkward.. i never participated in the "please watch a video on my tablet" work, but i would imagine that the fail rate compared to magazine placement is massive.. reducing magazine frequency yet again would make me worked up inside.
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The WT have made the literature (magazines, brochures, invites/leaflets and books) a 'crutch' that the rank-and-file publisher uses as the very reason that the door-to-door work even exists.
The door-to-door work has always been about: "What item of literature are you offering?"
The door-to-door work was/is always about - is it magazines or the literature offer being used today?
While researching the number of Memorial parktakers listed by country as posted here:
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5301967574269952/_post/5208862145642496
I saw the feature 'Topic for Conversation' on the old Kingdom Ministries - a theme, two scriptures and a brief scriptural thought for both - with no 'direct' link to the literature
The feature started in March 1977 and seems to have gone on through to December 1991 - it was basic and simple, but would seem have have given a good framework for a JW to have something specific to say that seemed to change each month (so good for returning back) - look at the last part of the following introductory article about them:
Kingdom Ministry March 1977
Use Topics for Conversation in Field Service
Almost everyone responds to kindness, warmth, and a genuine concern for his welfare. As we approach householders in this manner, we will also want to have something to say that will immediately appeal to them. This is where “Topics for Conversation in Field Service” should prove quite helpful.
Most of us are not pioneers and so we are not out in the field service as often as we would like to be. But when we go, surely we would like to be winsome and discerning in our conversations. Since Topics for Conversation in Field Service will now be featured in Our Kingdom Service, perhaps some questions and answers relative to this feature will be helpful.
Q. Do these topics have to be changed by you each time a new subject is introduced in Our Kingdom Service?
A. No. Perhaps changing three or four times a year may work out well for you personally. This will allow you the time and practice in the field so you can get thoroughly acquainted with them and the Scriptural thoughts presented therewith. This should be helpful in building confidence and ability to present the good news with ease.
Q. How should these topics be introduced?
A. Local current events such as what is happening in the community or on the world or national scene often prove helpful. An example of this is given in “Presenting the Good News” in this issue.
Q. Are we required to stick to these topics at every door?
A. No. While we believe that most of the publishers will find these topics helpful, if you have been able to develop something more effective, more applicable locally, feel free to use it. These are only suggestions and can be used or varied at the discretion of the publisher. Pioneers who are out in the field often will no doubt find it helpful to use variations of this topic or other topics of conversation. And if your territory is covered frequently, you will necessarily vary your themes.
Q. What is our goal in being able to share these topics of conversation? Is it merely placing literature?
A. Not in itself. We want to give a testimony or message to the people. First, we can acquaint householders with God’s Word, the Bible, which points to the real remedy for man’s problems, namely the Kingdom. Secondly, we desire that people use the literature to help them to understand what is in the Bible, since it is usually difficult for them to appreciate its teachings. The topic for conversation is designed to help us to talk to those who will give us a listening ear, so we might stimulate interest in God’s Word.
Example Topic for Conversation
Better Conditions Await Us.
2 Pet. 3:13—New world promised.
Rev. 21:4—Conditions that will exist.God’s Kingdom—The Hope for Mankind.
Matt. 6:10—We pray for the Kingdom.
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Simplified study watchtower
by Saltheart Foamfollower inthere seems to be some confusion over what is happening with the study edition of the watchtower - i notice it isn't mentioned in the letter to be read out.
if, as seems likely, it is going to be dumbed down even further then i think this could be the first step to shortening the watchtower study (to 30 mins?
) - it is the only meeting not to have been reduced in recent years.
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The following was a comment, made via attendees listening to the talk, regarding the study watchtower:
Changes to the STUDY EDITION to the WT, to simplify the style of the standard edition. Allows for a larger font style. The GB decided, as of January 1, 2019, they are combining their editions (so no more printed simplified and standard editions).
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5134799058501632/_post/5633261487259648
Combining the Study WT and the CLAM Workbook would be an interesting idea - but it would appear to leave very little room for any 'important' non-study articles on topics the WT want the rank and file to know.
It would also be based on the assumption that people either use their tablets for both, or neither, and that they fall into two discinct groups with little overlap - ie rather than lots using the hard copy Workbook, but then most use WT on tablet.
Both the Study WT and CLAM Workbook are effectively internal publications and, in contrast to the old Kingdom Ministry', the WT is much, much freer on basically anybody attending the KH getting a copy of the Workbook.
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$66 Million Class Action Lawsuit Filed Against Jehovah's Witnesses in Canada
by Alfred innot sure if this was posted or not, but here it is.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ewsigoad1g.
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thanks - it was discussed in more detail - including video of television news reports - last week here:
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5919074582265856/breaking-news-out-canada
Does it mean that the following law firm - and apparently forum member - have 'LOST OUT' on bringing a class action in Canada???
Or could there be two competing class actions? With plaintiffs having to CHOOSE which one they want to join??
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/users/5717645263372288/higgertylaw