Midweek Meeting w/c Mon 5 Dec 2016
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VIDEO: Midweek Meeting w/c Mon 5 Dec 2016
by darkspilver inmidweek meeting w/c mon 5 dec 2016. meeting schedule / workbook.
you need to click through to youtube to watch the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-icxi1q3_x8.
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Florida, Groveland: KH Dedication VIDEO
by darkspilver inthis must be one of the last old-style/traditional kingdom halls to be built?
seems it was built during august/september last year, but was actually only dedicated fairly recently.. 15919 villa city road, groveland fl 34736https://goo.gl/maps/gfrrxa42jo42.
two dedication programmes - one in english and another in spanish - same bilingual bethel brother gives the main talk in english and spanish.
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darkspilver
This must be one of the last old-style/traditional Kingdom Halls to be built? Seems it was built during August/September last year, but was actually only dedicated fairly recently.
15919 Villa City Road, Groveland FL 34736
https://goo.gl/maps/gfRRXa42jo42Two Dedication programmes - one in English and another in Spanish - same bilingual Bethel Brother gives the main talk in English and Spanish
I'll let you compare the two programmes .....
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Norway: Hospitals Refuse To Accept JW Blood Card
by darkspilver inbeen sent this - could be an interesting story - seems totally unrelated to recent events in canada, but see under the sub-heading 'debate after birth' - translation is via google, which is unfortunately not very good :(.
from the thursday 8 december 2016 print editon of agderposten newspaper - a norwegian daily newspaper with a circulation of just under 20,000 (so admittedly a relatively small regionally based circulation newspaper).
jehovas vitner har laget et blodkort for overføring i en akuttsituasjon.
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darkspilver
Been sent this - could be an interesting story - seems totally unrelated to recent events in Canada, but see under the sub-heading 'Debate after birth' - translation is via google, which is unfortunately not very good :(
From the Thursday 8 December 2016 print editon of Agderposten newspaper - a Norwegian daily newspaper with a circulation of just under 20,000 (so admittedly a relatively small regionally based circulation newspaper)
Splashed over the front page with a double page spread over pages 6 and 7
Sier nei til blodbevis
Jehovas vitner har laget et blodkort for overføring i en akuttsituasjon. Sørlandet sykehus nekter å akseptere kortene – noe trossamfunnet reagerer sterkt på.
Godtar ikke Jehovas vitners blodbevis
Jehovas vitner har et kort i lommeboka som slår fast at de nekter å motta blodoverføring. Men Sørlandet sykehus aksepterer ikke disse kortene.
Says no to blood evidence
Witnesses have made a blood card for transmission in an emergency. Southern hospitals refuse to accept cards - something religious community reacted strongly.
Does not accept Jehovah's Witnesses blood evidence
Witnesses have a card in your wallet stating that they refuse to receive blood transfusion. But Southern hospitals do not accept these cards.
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Says no to blood evidence
Witnesses have made a blood card for transmission in an emergency. Southern hospitals refuse to accept cards - something religious community reacted strongly.
PAGES 6 and 7
Does not accept Jehovah's Witnesses blood evidence
Witnesses have a card in your wallet stating that they refuse to receive blood transfusion. But Southern hospitals do not accept these cards.
- We do not accept forhåndserklaeringer. The patient must be competent to give consent in that particular moment to refuse blood transfusion, says Per Engstrand, Director at Southern hospitals.
Faith Society Jehovah's Witnesses believe the Bible forbids transfusions. The members usually have a declaration in your wallet that makes it clear that under no circumstances must be given blood. The so-called blood card signed by two witnesses.
Provides blood
To refuse to accept blood transfusion at Southern hospitals must surgery be scheduled. That in emergency situations where health professionals have not been able to talk with the patient beforehand, it will be given blood if it is needed.
- Refuse is part of a mutual agreement, and not made unilaterally. The patient should be fully aware if the requirement of blood refusal should be respected. The patient must be competent to give consent, and can be neither unconscious, obscure, demented or have head injury. This is common practice in Norwegian hospitals, says Engstrand.
Expect acceptance
Bjarne Hermansen (70) from Grimstad's Witness. He reacted strongly to the hospital does not accept forhåndserklaeringer and thus can give blood transfusion after acute events such as road accidents.
- Blood card tells our position when we are unable to tell it yourself. Patients' Rights Act gives patients the right to decide over their own lives. The law states that the patient's desire to be respected, says Hermansen, who is coordinator of the congregation Kingdom Hall in Grimstad.
He carries with him a forhåndserklaering in your wallet, and the registration document folder in the car.
- The card can be used worldwide. I have no medical education and adds me not up in the doctor reviews. But I expect that standpoint I have taken on religious grounds, are respected, says Hermansen, who is coordinator of the church in Grimstad.
Witnesses do not accept blood transfusions, but seek medical attention in case of illness.
- We are deleted no martyrs but are happy in life and want our children to survive. We are willing to accept any treatment without blood transfusions, says Hermansen.
Broke his neck
Grimstad man has even had to use blood his card, after a neck fracture in 2001.
- Kona sent a copy of the statement to the doctor as a precaution. I know many who have lost a lot of blood, and which do well without getting blood transfusion, says Hermansen.
He refers to a worldwide register of so-called "bloodless" hospital. He believes that many operations in Norway would have been implemented without the use of blood transfusion - and thrown in with better results.
- I recently visited a ward member who lost a lot of blood in conjunction with a hip operation. She objected to blood transfusion, and fared well. There are alternatives. Some are sent to Oslo to receive treatment, and there is a serious and challenging dilemma when one is in the midst of the situation. I hope that our opinion be respected, even when we've been out for acute accidents, says Hermansen.
He is happy that the hospital warehouse procedures with intent to attend Jehovah's Witnesses want.
Debate after birth
The reason for the new policy by Sørlandets hospitals, a doctor at the Southern hospitals was criticized by the patient ombudsman for giving a blood transfusion to a Jehovah's Witness during childbirth in 2010, against her will. It created a fierce debate.
Following this incident, Southern hospitals worked extensively with the theme Witnesses and blood transfusions. The new guidelines were approved in May this year.
In Patients' Rights Act is a clause that gives Jehovah's Witnesses the right to refuse to receive blood or blood products because of serious convictions.
The same clause requires that in order to fulfill this wish, healthcare providers need to be able Front Cover
Kre themselves that this is a self-chosen, well-considered and lasting conviction. It is difficult in an emergency.
"Patients must understand the consequences of refusal will get. Patients should receive adequate information about diagnosis and treatment, and the consequences refusal of blood transfusion can get. The patient must be competent to give consent, "says the policies of Southern hospitals.
The patient must sign on the hospital form. The patient must be over 18 years.
Situations annually
When the issue of blood transfusion becomes applicable, shall treating physician ask the patient about the refusal still stands firm. In operation under general anesthesia, the patient should be asked whether this immediately before surgery.
The clinical ethics committee at Southern hospitals have been involved in preparing the document. Here include psychologists, doctors, nurses, art technician and lawyer represented.
- We are satisfied with the guidelines, said Engstrand.
- How often arise situations where Jehovah's Witnesses contradict themselves blood transfusion at Southern Hospitality?
- I do not have the exact number, but we have these situations every year. We are familiar with the problem, and therefore has worked extensively with the guidelines here in the south, said Engstrand.
FACTS (BOX)
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES
- The movement has about 15,000 members in Norway distributed in 170 congregations.
- Jehovah's Witnesses do not accept blood transfusions, but seek medical attention in case of illness. They refuse to perform militaertjeneste and does not participate in political life.
Main Picture: NOT ACCEPT "BLOOD CARD": Southern hospitals do not accept Witnesses forhandserklaeringer to refuse a blood transfusion, but give blood if needed. The picture shows the correct Sal Grimstad
Small Picture: TEAM GUIDELINES: Technical director Per Engstrand
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VIDEO: Weekend Meeting 3/4 December 2016
by darkspilver inweekend meeting 3/4 december 2016. public talk: into the new world under christ’s rulership.
watchtower study: "do not forget kindness to strangers”.
(note actual meeting starts from approximately 21 minutes in).
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darkspilver
Hey FedUpJW!
haha! This is the 21st Century - finally!
All congregation meetings - in ALL the main / key languages - are being beamed online worldwide from Kingdom Halls across North America, Europe and around the World!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwqmWMK7dwtlZlhNWVAwc29IYUk/view
BTW - unfortunately it seems my postings are now being 'queued' and are therefore not appearing until, I don't know when, which is kinda a pity as I've got about four or five, on a range of topics, just ready and waiting to be posted.... but you're gonna have to wait!!!! -
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VIDEO: Weekend Meeting 3/4 December 2016
by darkspilver inweekend meeting 3/4 december 2016. public talk: into the new world under christ’s rulership.
watchtower study: "do not forget kindness to strangers”.
(note actual meeting starts from approximately 21 minutes in).
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darkspilver
Weekend Meeting 3/4 December 2016
Public Talk: Into the New World Under Christ’s Rulership
Watchtower Study: "Do Not Forget Kindness to Strangers”
(Note actual meeting starts from approximately 21 minutes in)
You need to click through to youtube to watch the video
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Banned From The Kingdom Hall
by darkspilver inbanned from going to the kingdom hall..... a former jehovah’s witness has been banned from visiting any of the organisation’s kingdom halls in the uk – or face going to jail.. http://www.kentonline.co.uk/deal/news/judges-jail-warning-to-former-117012/.
previous thread / discussion.
youtube channel.
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darkspilver
Banned from going to the Kingdom Hall....
A former Jehovah’s Witness has been banned from visiting any of the organisation’s Kingdom Halls in the UK – or face going to jail.
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/deal/news/judges-jail-warning-to-former-117012/
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UK 'blood' court case re:2yo
by darkspilver inhi orphancrow.
thought you might be interested in the following, brief, court case summary.
high court family division - 18 november 2016an nhs foundation hospital v mr and mrs t. http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/ewhc/fam/2016/2980.html.
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darkspilver
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
See You Next Tuesday
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A Brother refusing to pray?
by HereIgo ini remember there was a brother in my congregation while i was in who would comment at all meetings but if asked to pray at a meeting or meeting for service he would always politely refuse.
i always found it odd, i assumed as a young bro, that a bro was kind of obligated to pray if asked.
knowing what i know now, it could have been a guilty conscience or maybe he just wanted to be lowkey.
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darkspilver
3: Classified as a 'Sexual Predator' by the body of elders (such ones usually aren't allowed privileges beyond preaching per instructions from headquarters)
Unlikely? Because I'd have presumed the body of elders would have known not to ask him then - maybe a M/S at a F/S arrangement might ask him?
5: Under restrictions - but again unlikely due to above
I think it's just nerves - HereIgo says he just answered up - no school items? no platform demos? - so much more likely to be nerves
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Article: Public event in Laval to honour Jehovah's Witness who died after giving birth
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/dupuis-memorial-jehovahs-witness-1.3857367.
public event in laval to honour jehovah's witness who died after giving birth.
éloïse dupuis refused emergency blood transfusion, now her aunt wants civil code amended to protect others.
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darkspilver
It's 4.00pm on Friday afternoon in Montreal - so just a reminder that it's 24 hours to go....
Saturday 3 December 2016 at 4.00pm
L’Eggspress Saint-François
8028 Av Marcel Villeneuve, Laval, QC, H7A 4C5
Phone: 450-936-4333
Email: [email protected]
http://www.restaurantleggspress.ca/en-ca/visit-us.html -
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UK 'blood' court case re:2yo
by darkspilver inhi orphancrow.
thought you might be interested in the following, brief, court case summary.
high court family division - 18 november 2016an nhs foundation hospital v mr and mrs t. http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/ewhc/fam/2016/2980.html.
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darkspilver
Hi Simon
Context is king when it comes to posting rules
That's cool - tbh it was more the double f-word use.
But also, I suppose, it was a strange rant/useage, as this is an example of the 'elders' and 'governing body' very much taking a back seat and letting the court/hospital take the lead, without any drama or f'ing and blinding.
Which is probably the best compromise and the reason why I wanted to flag this up with OrphanCrow.
The parent's made written representations regarding their wishes and did not attend the court, the hospital was happy to follow those wishes, with the priviso that they could adminster a blood transfusion, if needed. The judge agreed. End of case. I thought the brief write-up and comments of the Judge were interesting, which is again why I flagged it up for OrphanCrow.
