Posts by berrygerry

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2014 AGM - Splane and Pyramids
by berrygerry in
1. watchtower
2. bible
just read a comment on a site that said:.

"at the annual general meeting this year at stanley halls it is on tv.jw.org david splane said the pyramid of giza the bible students believed in for calculating time periods were from pagans".

wasted 2 hours watching the am on jw tv.. splane indeed says this, and that br.
berrygerry

Scoobydont

The whole AGM is on JW TV.
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2014 AGM - Splane and Pyramids
by berrygerry in
1. watchtower
2. bible
just read a comment on a site that said:.

"at the annual general meeting this year at stanley halls it is on tv.jw.org david splane said the pyramid of giza the bible students believed in for calculating time periods were from pagans".

wasted 2 hours watching the am on jw tv.. splane indeed says this, and that br.
berrygerry

Just read a comment on a site that said:

"At the Annual General Meeting this year at Stanley Halls it is on tv.jw.org David Splane said the pyramid of Giza the bible students believed in for calculating time periods were from PAGANS"

Wasted 2 hours watching the AM on JW tv.

Splane indeed says this, and that Br. Whatever adjusted his view because of the 1928 WT.

What the hell?

Brothers are supposed to adjust their long-held views?

Oh, but not yet.

Gustav, buddy, you need to explain when someone, according to GB Splane, is supposed to use THEIR OWN POWER OF REASON, but otherwise just "All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not."

Explain away.

(And welcome back)
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The BS Two Witness Rule - John 8
by berrygerry in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
many posts have been made regarding the total bs 2 witness rule in order to protect molesters.. did not jesus dispense with this bs rule in john 8:17,18?.

i.e., the father witnesses all, therefore, only one human witness is required?.

.
berrygerry

Gustav:
Glad to have you back.

This is for you.

WT Aug 15, 1987 p. 27 blithely says: "At least two witnesses are required to establish a charge of wrongdoing. "

And yet then, it totally ignores the very next verse: "I am one who bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me.” "

Jesus had said in verse 12 that he was the light of the world.

In verse 13, the Pharisees challenged him, as he had no witness - " So the Pharisees said to him: “You bear witness about yourself; your witness is not true.” "

And yet Jesus' response was that because his Father bore witness, that that amounted to 2 witnesses.

So, if none other than Jesus proffered that his Father was able to bear witness in such an affair, then for heaven's sake, why is that enough for all of the child abuse taking place, and having taken place?
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Russia's Supreme Court Declares Jehovah's Witnesses Website Extremist
by AndersonsInfo in
1. jw
2. friends
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russia-s-supreme-court-declares-jehovah-s-witnesses-website-extremist/512562.html.

russia's supreme court declares jehovah's witnesses website extremist.

the moscow times.
berrygerry

In 2004, a Moscow court banned a local Jehovah's Witnesses group, accusing it of recruiting children, prompting believers to abandon their families, inciting suicide and preventing believers from accepting medical treatment, RAPSI reported.

Do JW's recruit children? (David Splane answers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh8FNlAIrh8 )

Do believers abandon their families? (Ask me, ask Cedars, ask BigMac, ask BetterGuyNow http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/private/288990/1/16-year-old-JW-daughter-doesnt-want-to-visit-I-have-visitation-rights , ask almost everyone on this forum )

Do JW's incite suicide? (Ask me, ask many posters here, visit https://www.facebook.com/AAWA.Official.Page/posts/320528784770476 )

Do JW's prevent medical treatment? Come on.

Why defend the indefensible?
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Elders removed in Northern PA. Congregation
by ToesUp in
1. jw
2. friends
a close family member just informed me what happened during their last c.o.

visit.

this occurred 3 months ago.
berrygerry

Notice given.

There's a new boss in town.

Are you paying protection?
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2012 WT financial statements in Britain
by EndofMysteries in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
http://theworldnewsmedia.org/file/view/2012-wtbtsb-financial-report.pdf.

it seems it is possible to get some financial statements from some countries.. it's interesting seeing how they must report in what way they are a charity.

many spin doctoring and word games to make it appear they are doing charitable things.. also interesting was how the trustees were consenting to reducing the reserves and sending them to another country, probably wt usa it looks like.
berrygerry

Grants

Voluntary Income

Grants

12,139,311 Pounds

What is this?

And

26,100,834 Pounds Making donations to further religious education oveseas ???
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8 Year Old Getting Baptized!
by Atlantis in
1. watchtower
2. bible
eight year old getting baptized!

(from a jw site.

this 8 year old sister was the youngest of the 31 who were baptized at a regional convention in bogo city, cebu, philippines on the weekend.
berrygerry

Old enough to be abused sexually,

old enough to be abused spiritually.
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The BS Two Witness Rule - John 8
by berrygerry in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
many posts have been made regarding the total bs 2 witness rule in order to protect molesters.. did not jesus dispense with this bs rule in john 8:17,18?.

i.e., the father witnesses all, therefore, only one human witness is required?.

.
berrygerry

Many posts have been made regarding the total BS 2 witness rule in order to protect molesters.

Did not Jesus dispense with this BS rule in John 8:17,18?

I.e., the Father witnesses all, therefore, only one human witness is required?
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Are Jehovah's Witnesses Psycopaths?
by stuckinarut2 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i have been thinking that jws display an organizationally officially promoted form of thinking that makes them psycopaths!.

what i mean is, any person who enjoyed reading and leaning about past gruesome deaths, or who justified such things as being normal or acceptable would be deemed to be dangerous to society...a psychopath.

(by this i am refferring to the content of the bible of course).
berrygerry

Sociopaths cannot be cured.

jws are brainwashed into being nonviolently cruel under specific circumstances because god will kill them if they don't. Their bad behavior started and keeps happening because of something external to them.

jws can be cured.

They seem to be closer to sociopaths.

My feeling is that they are not originally psychopaths, but after years of indoctrination, they become close to that.

Psychopaths and sociopaths seem to be used interchangably, but I would say, that by definition, a psychosis is developed by long-term JW's.

The sociopathy is part of the religion, i.e., the world is controlled by Satan and is conceptually evil; hence all the non-JW's are evil and infectious; to be avoided at all costs.

(Rebel8 - love your posts - but I cannot agree that JW's can be cured. [That was also the fantasy of The Governor and Hershel in Walking Dead])
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My own daughter has much suffered; she will get justice in due time.
by TheFadingAlbatros in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
just learned today direct from my beloved daughter that she has been abused between 5 and 12 years old by 2 brothers (her own cousins) and 1 family "friend".

she has attempted suicide a few days ago.

luckily she is living and she is not physically injured.
berrygerry

There is no pain greater than the pain suffered by our children.

I am so sorry for the pain of your daughter and you.