it seems to me that there's a big difference between the "old-school" jw's and the "new-school" jw's when it comes to the door-to-door work.. i took "no" for an answer.
someone didn't want to listen, that's fine.
"have a good day then.
the reasoning book and other zombiefying materials..
That couldn't be more true. Whenever I ask the JW lady that has been coming to visit me a question that she can't answer, the next week she'll bring me some photocopies from the good 'ol WT CD ROM. Why look for the answers when the WT will provide them for you?
kj
after 40 years of serving as a regular pioneer and being on the infirm list, the circuit overseer, the po and another elder told her today in a 30 min.
conversation she was going to be announced as no longer pioneering.
the co mostly talked about me, my wife and daughter.
kj
ok, we all know the scripture where paul says "...i know a man in union with christ who, 14 years ago, was caught away to the third heaven.....whether in the body or apart from the body i do not know...he was caught away into paradise and heard unutterable words which it is not lawful or a man to speak.
according to the october 15th watchtower, you wanna know what exactly this means?
paragraph 9 says "....it would involve the christian congregation......when was that vision to be fulfilled?
How can anyone take this crap seriously?
kj
after visiting her jw father and relatives, my daughter came home and stated that her uncle said, "churches..(tsk tsk) they do not allow questioning of any of their beliefs.
" my daughter looked at him and stated, "how would you know, you have never been in one!
" she said he did not know what to say.. at the meeting, they were all standing around talking and someone said, "wow, there was 188 at the meeting today!
High five, to you too, mom! It is great that you are helping her learn to think for herself. Thanks for sharing :-)
kj
was there ever a refutation written up on this brochure?
i'm looking for something that examines all the sources and the credibility of the people they quote to supplement my research on this topic.
There is also a book called Why You Should Believe in the Trinity by Robert Bowman. He wrote it in direct response to the JW brochure.
kj
i am not a jehovah's witness, nor have ever been.
i cannot even come close to relating what that is like.
however, my husband has been studying with them.
I am so sorry you are going through this. You are NOT being selfish. You deserve to have your beliefs respected, and not be constantly over-ruled just because his beliefs have changed. If he believes the JWs are wrong, why does he still agree with so many of their beliefs, particularly the thing about holidays? Has he explained why he feels the way he does?
kj
many of yall have seen the "someone special needs cheering up" thread >> http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/79297/1.ashx.
there've been some really thoughtful responses, such kind and considerate wishes for kristy.
even so, i realize how difficult it may be at times to find the words to convey well wishes for someone who's suffering and striving so hard to overcome extreme circumstances.. .
Here are some flowers for your friend-
I hope she feels better soon.
kj
i had posted a few times since my awakening asking how best to talk to my wife about my new take on things.
i was very afraid of handilng it poorly and chasing her deeper into the organization.
instead, she basically said, 'i've been feeling the same way!
Wooooooooooohooooooooooooooo! Thanks for sharing the good news :-)
kj
what i was thinking about is, since most of us that post on jwd remain annonymous, i wonder how many of us know someone else that posts on this site, but dont know that they post on this site... i keep hearing of new apostates (people that are aquaintances of mine) that are popping up... and i notice that a few people here are from ontario, canada.
too bad i may never know who you are, even though i may know who you are (get it???!!!).
it really spells out to me just how afraid most of us are.
I would be so happy if I found out that just one JW I know was posting (or even lurking) here.
kj
i'm off to bed but just had to tell.
i'm excited but at the same time really concerned that when she tells someone that they will disuade her.
i have been praying for this.
I will definitely say a prayer for you. I once had a really nice bible discussion with my mom, and got her to think about a bunch of things. She said she would look for the answers and get back to me. I have a feeling that whoever she went to for help with the questions "encouraged" her not to talk with me about it anymore. So I will pray that your mom keeps this study just between the two of you. Keep us updated!
kj
