Posts by HowTheBibleWasCreated

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Today's watchtower. Why no emphasis on doctrine?

by kneehighmiah in

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i believe the jws are morphing into a mainstream social religious group.

we've long been taught we had the truth due to our suoerior doctrine.

it appears that the gb knows that their teachings are ludicrous and indefensible.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

I have to disagree ocean the have intorduced the rapture to JWs and the idea of a 7 or 8 man governing body based on Micah.

Also the most recent article on creation said animals change over time.

The JWs are following Catholics

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Jesus Christ's horrible death

by Crazyguy in

it amazes me how much thinking one does when you're out of the cult.

i mean another thread got me thinking about the story of jesus death.

so adam breaks a little test lives for 900 plus years and then dies of natural causes.

Read any passion narritive of the time it would be gory and brutal. Mel Gibson got one thing right... the suffering of condemned men. If you were and onlooker and were theorizing how a cosmic Jesus would die this is the best way you would think at the time. The Acension of Isaiah has the story of Jesus long before the gospels.

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Some have been bringing Josephus up again...

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

1. josephus lived from 37 to around 100 ce.

in his works he mentions every detail evn if it's hearsay.

for instance we know from him the 4 sects of judasm at the time and christians are not amoung them.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

1. Josephus lived from 37 to around 100 CE. In his works he mentions every detail evn if it's hearsay. For instance we KNOW from him the 4 sects of Judasm at the time and Christians are NOT amoung them. He does however mention a small sect which is likely a Logoos-Philo sect. (To throw the christians a bone)

2. In War of the Jews he claims a Cow gave birth to a sheep......<<<< Okay.... he liked oral stories.

3. He refers to himself as Josephus in his accounts, Not I, thus assuming the role of a hero in the story.

4. Suicidal. He wasn't. But he made other commit suicide while he watched. It's in his account.

5. He claims a guy named Jesus preached Jerusalems destruction around 69-70 and was crushed by a rock... I am starting to doubt this sotyr it sounds like an ealry Jesus legend he borrowed via oral traditions from philo's Logos cult.

6. Titus and his we buddies. and the men he went to see were Simon and John and James the brother of Jesus the high preist.... why do I think Galatians chapter 12 is a forgery? ... because the only one who could have those names in those places was Jospehus in 69-70... Galatians was a rehash of several of his works I think. (By Marcionites)

7. This guy had 3 failed marriagesd... the first I will admit she died in Jerusalem.. and her husnamd a friend of Titus didn't once bargin for her life?... A$$hole!

8. The people that liked his books were Romans and Christians. They were the copiests.

9. I don't belive he was a Pharisee.

10. Luke-Acts relies on his works... this only goes to show his writings preceeded them.

So many here in the last week quoated Jospephus... I do often to but only when i'm sure it's a fact... 50% of what he wrote was not fact and to add to it so many forgeries like John the Baptist and Jesus were added

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Did Josephus believe in Jesus as The Christ?

by opusdei1972 in

here is the questioned josephus' text :.

now, there was about this time jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful worksa teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure.

he drew over to him both many of the jews, and many of the gentiles.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

The referance to John the Baptist as well breaks his line of thought and his comment of Herod's palace in the paragraph CONTRADICTS the previous statements of Herod only a few paragraphs earlier... John the Baptist too is a forgery

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Pope Francis declares evolution and Big Bang theory are real (shows the way to JWs?)

by exWTslave in

pope thus admits that every verse of the bible is not literally inspired.

it is like a story that is built to awaken the readers to some principles (not to educate the readers the historicity with all the minute details).. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-declares-evolution-and-big-bang-theory-are-right-and-god-isnt-a-magician-with-a-magic-wand-9822514.html.

if gb is wise enough, they can come out of the mess they have gone into, making use of this opportunity that pope has opened saying bible is not to be taken literally.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Interesting I have a few Catholic bibles with their commentary and they usually explain Adam was the first man WITH A SOUL. Humans evolved. The flood was localized etc.

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The story of the girl sacrificed at the temple?

by Crazyguy in

i'm sorry i don't remember her name but in the story her father promises god the first from his house would be sacraficed.

as many know here she was indeed killed and not just given over to temple service.

proving this to a jw would be hard, but i'm wondering was there ever a mention of woman being used at the temple other then when the temple was also a place for asherah worship?

HowTheBibleWasCreated

She was killed in the story.

Most of Judges is stories of northern heros which were likely written during the exile. The Deuteronomist law code condemned child sacrafice but the author of these stories (Often called E) loved them. The Atories of Abraham and Isaac amoung others parallels this.

Exodus 12 had God demanding the firstborn son.

The tradition was well known... See Micah 6:6-8

Was there a Gileadite who sacraficed his daughter in an oath to a deity after fighting the Ammonites? I would say this sadly happened many times.

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What do Mark, Luke, and Paul all have in common?

by Coded Logic in

according to scripture, none of them ever met jesus.

i was a jw for 20 years and i never knew this!

i thought they were all apostles!

HowTheBibleWasCreated

What do they all have in common? None of them likely existed in my opinion.

However the WT will claim Mark did know Jesus since he's the streaker running around when Jesus was arrested lol.

Mark 14:50-552 NWT

50 And they all abandoned him and fled.+ 51 However, a certain young man wearing only a fine linen garment over his naked body began to follow him nearby, and they tried to seize him, 52 but he left his linen garment behind and got away naked.*

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Glory of CREATOR is that

by exWTslave in

glory of creator is that he has given us life and life support systems to enjoy the life to the full.

yet he doesnt want any glory for that nor thanks from ushence he remains away.

that means his life (or style of functioning) is the message (making all communicationoral or written unnecessary).

HowTheBibleWasCreated

The singularity existed befoe the big bang? Where do you get this?

I think you need to read modern physics not physics of 50 -70 years ago. Quantum mechanics actually explains that the universe came from nothing out of necessity!

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Was the Biblical Canon Directed by God?

by Chris Tann in

this is a question a sincere christian may agonize over after learning that some books of the bible were rejected by certain early christian groups,while other books that did not make the canon were accepted.

also,when one realizes that so called inspired writers of the greek scriptures quote from apocrypha,that most christians reject today,one wonders if these writings that include these quotes should even be in the bible.. it is true that when it comes to the christian greek scriptures the canon has been closed for many centuries.

also, these books have been accepted by christians ever since the second,perhaps first,century.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Chris Tann:

I must have misunderstood this line: " It is true that when it comes to the Christian Greek scriptures the canon has been closed for many centuries. Also, these books have been accepted by Christians ever since the second,perhaps first,century. "

BTW Hebrews alluds to 2 Maccabees and Jude to the Book of Enoch and the Apocylapse of Moses. Revelation's comoslogy is based on the Book of Enoch. (The BOE gives a very detailed description of the Jewish Universe)

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Was the Biblical Canon Directed by God?

by Chris Tann in

this is a question a sincere christian may agonize over after learning that some books of the bible were rejected by certain early christian groups,while other books that did not make the canon were accepted.

also,when one realizes that so called inspired writers of the greek scriptures quote from apocrypha,that most christians reject today,one wonders if these writings that include these quotes should even be in the bible.. it is true that when it comes to the christian greek scriptures the canon has been closed for many centuries.

also, these books have been accepted by christians ever since the second,perhaps first,century.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

I need to comment. The orginal post assumes that the 27 books were widely accepted in the second century. BIG FALSEHOOD!

Most of the 27 books were not even known!

The earliest gospel (out of the four) we have evidence for is a piece of John and it is around 125 or so. (could be earlier but not much)

The earliest NT canon did contain a gospel. 'The Gospel of the Lord'. It was a proto-Luke... meaning is predated Luke... when was this? 140....

Also in that concon were 10 so called letters of Paul (Ephesians originally was called ''To the Laodacians' and all of the 'Pauline letters' are proto-letters. Very gnostic. (The Pastorials we have no evidence for until tha very late second century.)

The have no evidence for Matthew Mark or Luke until the mid second century. (Later for Luke) and the referances in Mark 13, Matthew 24, Luke 21 all refer not to 70ce but to the Jewsish revolt in 136ce.

The Didache was originally dated to the early second century and if so that text plus the Gospel to the Hebrews made up some of the material unique to Matthew (As well as oral traditions)

The only exception I could make to this is Revelation. Parts of it are clearly first century but this is one of the most edited books in the NT.