Posts by OneEyedJoe

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Why did the WT writers switch the people in the GENERATION from the general population to ' The Anointed?

by prologos in

what is your theory on the reason that prompted that?

the intend?

the hoped-for outcome?.

OneEyedJoe

benny, I never said there weren't holes Don't mistake me for a believer in this BS, I'm just commenting on what their mindset might be in why they're trying to sell this particular variety of BS.

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Poll--How Many Believe In God, Do Not Believe or Are Not Sure Of His Existence?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i believe in god but i'm not sure of anything....what about you?.

Why did the WT writers switch the people in the GENERATION from the general population to ' The Anointed?

by prologos in

what is your theory on the reason that prompted that?

the intend?

the hoped-for outcome?.

I think there may be two factors at play, first trying to make the overlap a little more plausible (if it can be considered to posess any degree of plausibility at all) because it's based on the idea of those seeing armageddon having heard a "first hand account" of the start of the last days. Since folks in the world at large didn't recognize the signs of the last days (which is why they're not all JWs, or so the story goes) they wouldn't be relating those signs to the next generation (which, apparently would make the next generation part of their generation, but I digress). The annointed, on the other hand, would talk non stop and brag about being present in 1914 to anyone who'd listen. It's therefore more reasonable to think that the annointed would have shared this first hand account so vividly that just by hearing their story you could picture it so well that it was as if you saw the signs yourself.

The other reason is that the contrived way that they define the generation sets a fairly imminent timeline for armageddon. The firsthand account of the events of 1914 has to come from someone who had already recieved their heavenly calling by that time, i.e. they were annointed partakers in 1914. Since in those days, most of the annointed where still coming from new converts (instead of born-ins like now) it's reasonable to assume that 20 would be a pretty good lower bound on the age someone might be at when they first start partaking. So those in the first part of the generation would likely have died off by 1974 around the age of 80. Obviously there might be a few that lasted longer, but this is probably about what most dubs are going to go with. So, the next generation would've had to have been partaking by 1974 in order to be a part of the generation, if you go another 60 years (again, for a total lifespan of 80) you wind up at about 2034 as the upper limit that this system can reach. The general assumption is that it'd happen well before that time due to the unexpected hanging paradox (i.e. if Jehovah waited until 2034, we'd know it must be coming then and Jesus' words about it coming at an hour you don't expect would prove false).

I expect the speculation about 2034 to ramp up in about 10 or 12 years, with subtle emphasis on a parallel with Noah's 120 year ministry (I think this has been mentioned before here as well). They're ripe for a new date setting extravaganza, since by then most of the GB willl probably only barely remember the 1975 fiasco (and what they do remember, they probably have pushed out of their minds).

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Alternative theory to conventional evolution: Stabilization Theory. What do you think?

by EdenOne in

i happened to come across a new (2008) theory on the evolution of live, by a biologist named eugene m. mccarthy.

he describes his new approach as stabilization theory.

i haven't read into it in depht, so i cannot make any informed comments so far.. this is his website: www.macroevolution.net.

OneEyedJoe

It seems plausible, but probably needs a lot more work to substantiate. It'll be interesting to see how (or if) the idea develops further.

The creationist's reaction will almost certainly be fueled by disgust and incredulity and finish with something like: "see! the so-called scientists don't even understand evolution, but we're expected to just believe it?"

Edit:

Thanks for finding that braincleaned, I couldn't find much on the guy or the theory, and didnt' feel like searching very long. I guess that explains why what I could find all refered to his "papers" being "published" on his website, not any peer-reviewed journal.

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BOE * 2014-07-15 Witnessing in public places REVISION

by WatchTower87 in

boe * 2014-07-15 witnessing in public places revision.

old version: 2014-05-01 witnessing in public places pdf: http://adf.ly/qagwu.

new version: 2014-07-15 witnessing in public places pdf: http://adf.ly/r6tsl.

OneEyedJoe

Further translation: we absolve ourselves of any legal liability if anything goes wrong.

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Achan teaches us stealing is wrong, but wanton genocide A-ok?

by BU2B in

this week on the tms, there was a talk about achan.

how i didnt see how out of wack the jws moral compass is earlier i do not know.

achan stole some valuables from jericho and for this him and his whole family was murdered in a brutal fashon and burned up by fire.

OneEyedJoe

That's a good point about the garments, I never thought about that. The only thing he could've hoped to do was sell them to a non-isrealite, and he'd probably have to make quite a trip to do that, or hold on to incriminating evidence for a long while...

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Achan teaches us stealing is wrong, but wanton genocide A-ok?

by BU2B in

this week on the tms, there was a talk about achan.

how i didnt see how out of wack the jws moral compass is earlier i do not know.

achan stole some valuables from jericho and for this him and his whole family was murdered in a brutal fashon and burned up by fire.

OneEyedJoe

Not to mention the claim that god made them lose battles (and innocent isrealites where killed) because of the secret sin of Achan.

So let me get this straight. God knows Achan sinned, but doesn't mention it to any of his prophets. Instead he just starts passive aggressively kills isrealites until they start asking questions? What kind of asshole god is this?

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JW.org funny statistics

by thedepressedsoul in

i went to alexa.com to see some stats on jw.org.

for some reason it still mentions it as watchtower.com but i'm sure that'll be updated at time.. .

two funny statistics i noticed.. .

OneEyedJoe

From the horse's mouth:

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I Don't Think The Witnesses Really Care If You Can Explain Doctrine As Long As You Accept Them!

by minimus in

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friends

gone are the days of getting into discussions about their beliefs.

doing major research to prove a position or watchtower doctrine is a thing of the past.

all they want from you is to surrender and accept everything they say as undeniable truth.. do you agree?.

OneEyedJoe

Yup, it's gotten to the point where it's just presented as fact and your choice is to believe it or have all your friends and family turn their backs on you.

What a loving organization!

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I think this is closure for me.

by quellycatface in

well, i have finally got rid of my baptism cards.

the congratulations cards....the wt ones, the ones with sheep on etc.... all gone.

they dated back to 23/09/2000.. has anyone else "purged" their witness past this way?.

OneEyedJoe

All I've been able to do so far was tear up my blood card. That was the day of my joining this site, and a few days after reading essentially all the content of JWfacts.

I don't have that many books or whatever and never got a single cult-related card from someone, so there's not that much for me to clean out