Whoa par16 was a doozy...stressing how important it is to help children to trick an unbelieving parent into dropping their objection to the cult. Also, it's very important to baptize kids before they get any taste of freedom or develop critical thinking skills.
OneEyedJoe
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 08-31-2014 WT Study (FULL POTENTIAL)
by blondie inwt publications http://www.a2z.org/wtarchive/archive.htm (old).
united nations http://www.randytv.com/secret/unitednations.htm.
newly baptized brothers (not sisters) because the wts needs men to reach out.
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 08-31-2014 WT Study (FULL POTENTIAL)
by blondie inwt publications http://www.a2z.org/wtarchive/archive.htm (old).
united nations http://www.randytv.com/secret/unitednations.htm.
newly baptized brothers (not sisters) because the wts needs men to reach out.
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OneEyedJoe
Following the lead of (I think) stuckinarut, I'm posting while carrying the mic for this study, makes the bs a bit more bearable.
Par 10 seems to be encouraging love bombing... Encouraging everyone to show new one that they have a place in the congregation. Disturbing how blatant they can be about it and no one notices.
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Have You Ever Rejected Being Appointed an Elder/MS Before the Announcement?
by GermanXJW inwhen i was a jw several brothers (ms) told me in private that the elders had asked them several times if they did not want to become an elder.
they said they rejected because it was too much responsibility for them.
were you ever approached that the boe wanted to make you an elder but you refused?
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OneEyedJoe
Has anyone used scripture in their refusal of appointment? The next time they try to pressure me, I'm thinking of using James 3:1 and maybe Matthew 23:8 and follow up by stating that I'm not interested in carrying any title. I'd be interested to hear thoughts on how that might be received.
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Should some people actually be Witnesses?
by Apognophos init seems to me like certain people actually benefit from joining the religion.
primarily i'm thinking of ones with drug problems who are only able to quit because they are working towards baptism.
another example would be those who are always getting in fights or who have a big ego, and who learn to be pacifistic and humble as a witness.
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OneEyedJoe
IMO the cost to innocent folks is too high to justify the slight good that might be done for a few former drug addicts. Especially when you consider that if the JWs didn't exist, the people that 'need' the cult would have numerous ways to 'find Jesus' that don't consist of joining a cult.
You don't burn your house down to get warm.
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Treatment of DFed family members. JW.org FAQ vs Nov 2014 WT
by EndofMysteries inon jw.org faq, " do jehovahs witnesses shun former members of their religion?, those who were baptized as jehovahs witnesses but no longer preach to others, perhaps even drifting away from association with fellow believers, are not shunned.....what of a man who is disfellowshipped but whose wife and children are still jehovahs witnesses?
the religious ties he had with his family change, but blood ties remain.
the marriage relationship and normal family affections and dealings continue.".
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OneEyedJoe
If you must be a fence sitter, at a minimum stop contributing any $ to this organization.
I know in my case, that's the first thing that changed. I went from contributing 10x the per-publisher suggestion for most things to $0 overnight once I saw some indications where my money was actually going.
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HULK HOGAN will he convert to Jehovah's Witnesses?
by Watchtower-Free in.from jw instagram .
http://instagram.com/jw_witnesses.
caption:" a few sisters were out in the tract campaign in clearwater, florida this morning and placed a tract with wrestling personality hulk hogan.
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OneEyedJoe
You know, on further thought, he'd fit right in. He has a mustache, but no beard and he already calls everyone "brother"
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HULK HOGAN will he convert to Jehovah's Witnesses?
by Watchtower-Free in.from jw instagram .
http://instagram.com/jw_witnesses.
caption:" a few sisters were out in the tract campaign in clearwater, florida this morning and placed a tract with wrestling personality hulk hogan.
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OneEyedJoe
Homeless people do not have computers to log on to JW.Org, nor do they have money to donate to WT's real estate ventures. Giving them a tract, despite it's so-called purpose of guiding them to "truth" and "everlasting life", is a waste of WT resources.
It's interesting that you say that, our last CO gave a talk (and I suspect everyone else who went got the same talk) about not being prejudiced, and we should preach to everyone. The material that he seemed to talk about from the outline seemed to be mostly about race/hobbies/etc. but the little bit of personal 'color' that the CO added was a personal experience involving a homeless guy, that basically ended with him saying that we need to be sure to preach even to the homeless.
It's a funny situation when the official policies (preach to everyone) of the cult start to go against it's unofficial goals (make money). I wonder if there will be a WT article encouraging people to consider the mental health of those who they preach to, or to acknowledge that some people are too far gone as a way of discouraging JWs from witnessing to the homeless that will do nothing but leach the WTS's money (as they see it) from the congregation.
I guess if they're just going to transition to ineffectual tracts that direct people to a website, that completely solves the problem of preaching to the homeless, too.
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BITE Model & WTS quotations
by TheBeardedMan_OrNot inmy first message on the board.... at first, sorry for my english : i'm a french speaker from belgium so please be indulgent .
this message because i found this thread recently :.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/91207/1/cults-steven-hassans-bite-model#.u_8rzvl_vur.
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OneEyedJoe
Bearded Man - you sound like you're in a pretty similar position to myself (except I'm without the kids). Personally, if I had kids, I'm sure I'd never be in service since I'd be allowed to count 4 hours or whatever each month from studying with them, and no one would be able to verify it.
I agree though, it's difficult to keep up the charade, and I'm not sure how much longer it'll last. I just hope my wife starts to open her eyes by the time my steam runs out. I hope you meet with ever increasing success in your endeavor to live your life on your own terms.
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Help me help my DF'd friend
by OneEyedJoe inso i got a text from a friend of mine today telling me that he'd been df'd.
since i'm still nominally a witness, this puts me in a tricky spot.
i intend to tell him in no uncertain terms that i will not shun him, but i'm not sure where to go beyond that.
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OneEyedJoe
Thanks everyone for the feedback. I did end up texting him back to tell him I wouldn't shun him and my friendship is unconditional. Haven't heard back yet, though, so it's possible apognophos might be on the right track.
Just showing up at his door wouldn't be likely to work. His schedule is unpredictable, so I'm not likely to find him home without advance coordination. I tend not to 'get' the rules of social interaction, so this type of situation is difficult for me. I usually prefer to be left alone, so I usually avoid doing anything that could be seen as pushy, so I'm having trouble finding the line between friendly and supportive and weird stalker. I'm thinking I'll try giving him a call in a week or so (it won't even be announced until next thursday) to see how he's doing.
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How many did you, personally, entrap in the Borg ?
by Phizzy inin my nearly 60 years in the religion, although i "studied" with a good number, i cannot think of any who could lay the blame at my door for being in the religion today.. one lad possibly might, i studied with him briefly as he was trying to get off drugs, he then moved away, and then married a "sister" a few years later, and is still in, but i doubt he would blame me, i hope not.. of the others i studied with none are still in, the last i heard of one of them, a weirdo kid, now weirdo man, was when he was arrested for "flashing" in a local spot frquented by doggers etc.
i guess i was a useless "tutor".
as it happens, that is one of the things i am proud to be a failure at, getting people to join a cult.. i always tried to not do proper r.v's, and never suggested a "study" to anyone, but some, like weirdo, were shoved my way by elders who didn't want the work themselves.. how many are you guilty of getting in to the cult ?.
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OneEyedJoe
Luckily, I never had any "success" in my ministry. When I was in my early teens I studied with a couple people (now, I realize how completely absurd it is to think of it in those terms....a 14 yr old studying with a 30 yr old woman) but they always seemed to move away after a couple months, or they'd stop answering the door. I now suspect that they just had a friend over to answer the door at our normal time to call to tell us that they'd moved. Luckily, it seems, everyone I met was smart enough to see the cult for what it is.