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  "Opinions about dress and grooming..."

  by leaving_quietly in

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  from the july 15, 2014 watchtower, page 15. par.

  "opinions about dress and grooming, health and nutrition, and other personal matters may also trigger controversy.

  accordingly, if no scriptural principle is being violated, jehovah's people wisely abstain from arguing over such matters, "for a slave of the lord does not need to fight, but needs to be gentle [tactful, ftn.

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  OneEyedJoe

  BU2B - well he was certainly violating the scripture in timothy - his talk was nothing resembling gentle or tactful.
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  Tight Pants Tony Made The News

  by thedepressedsoul in

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  2. beliefs

  if you go to google and just type in, jehovah witness about 10 different articles pop up about tonys comment with the gays wanting men in tight pants!

  i didnt play with any other google words yet but comment is getting a lot of publicity!.

  he done goofed on that one!.

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  OneEyedJoe

  agreed. However I don't think it would be a stretch to suggest that tight skirts on women is out of line for a "christian". Why would tight pants on men be any different?

  I get that the GB stand on a platform of speaking for god, but to be honest, any christian SHOULD consider tight pants or "skinny" pants unchristian the same way they would find tight skirts

  Tight pants are unchristian today in exactly the same way that exposed ankle on a lady was unchristian in the 1700s. Standards for modesty change. I think it's clear that pants that are sufficiently tight to show the outline of the head of the man's penis are probably something that would be considered immodest by most even today, but he never said anything like that. The pictures in Cadelin's post certainly show tailored somewhat tight suit-pants, but I don't see how they are in any way immodest. In fact, I don't think I would necessarily say that either of the men in your pictures are immodest. The second guy is obviously a little closer to the line than the first, but still I think it's just a matter of taste.

  While it's obviously easier to poke fun at the rediculous sound bites that came from the tight-pants rant, my biggest objections to it are:

  1. This organization consistently says that they do not make rules for every little bit of minutiae as did the pharasees in Jesus' day. This is a clear example of them doing just that, and from the very top of the pyramid at that. Instead, they should allow their adherents to apply their "bible trained conscience" that they keep going on about and decide for themseleves. The blatant hipocrisy is disgusting.

  2. The underlying effect that the GB's making of man-made rules has on JWs is immense, even if the rules are relatively trivial. AMIII says no skinny jeans, so a few JWs throw away their skinny jeans. The very act of their compliance then makes them more likely to go along with bigger things in the future (even if they don't agree that skinny jeans are wrong, they must change their belief to deal with the cognitive dissonance that occurs when they throw them out due to peer pressure). This small, seemingly innocent, rule exemplifies the high level of control that the organization exerts over JWs and it is this control that is most damaging. JWs find themselves in a place where every detail of their lives is controled for them and they have no valid way to introduce their own reasoning. This control results in, among other things, the deaths of thousands for refusal of blood transfusions and organ transplants, the death by suicide of countless teens who are shunned by their own parents, the molestation of countless innocent children by known child molesters and the list goes on. This small, innocent, seemingly christian rule sets the stage for all that. It may seem like an exageration, but it's a well understood psychological effect and without these small rules, the most damaging rules would be more likely to be questioned and ultimately rejected.
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  Article "How Mormons Will Come to Accept Homosexuality" - roadmap for JWs?

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  check out this article:.

  http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2014/11/mormons_will_accept_homosexuality_mormon_church_leaders_use_revelation_to.html.

  it gives a history of how some mormon doctrine has changed over the years.. any of this sound familiar?.

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  Strangely enough, I can actually see the courts steadily going in that direction in the future, but considering the rhetoric coming out of WTHQ reiterating all their ultra-conservative stances, they seem far more inclined to draw lines in the sand than compromise, these days.

  Which, IMO, is good, in that it ensures their decline.

  I tend to agree, what I really see happening if some country begins sanctioning religions that ban homosexuals from joining is this:

  1. Fight it to the highest court in the land.

  2. Upon losing, issue a public statement that they do not ban homosexuals from joining nor do they excommunicate them for being homosexual.

  3. Issue a private letter to the elders (not to be read nor disseminated publicly in any way) that anyone who participates in homosexual behavior (not mearly being a homosexual) has disassociated themselves by their actions.

  4. Stop talking about homosexuals as openly in the publications, but continue to make it a topic for CO talks and at conventions.

  With any luck the reputation their earning themselves in the legal world will make it obvious what they're doing and expose them.
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  Tight Pants Tony Made The News

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you go to google and just type in, jehovah witness about 10 different articles pop up about tonys comment with the gays wanting men in tight pants!

  i didnt play with any other google words yet but comment is getting a lot of publicity!.

  he done goofed on that one!.

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  OneEyedJoe

  do we live in a world where no one is allowed to express a negative opinion about something? I am sure there are other religions that express disdain for this look also, do we attack them also?

  I agree with you, skinny jeans look stupid. The problem is not expressing a negative oppinion, the problem is when the claim is made that the oppinion is based on scripture, and that the counsel is coming from jesus, not the branch (which is exactly the claim AMIII made in his concluding prayer).

  I also think that large mustaches with waxed, turned up twirly ends look silly. Does that mean that it should become law that no one is allowed to express themselves by having such a mustache?

  If any other religion is telling its adherents how to dress to this extent and claiming it's based on the bible, then yes, I have an issue with that. The thing is, this is a board focused on JWs, so we're mostly going to discuss the JWs.
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  Article "How Mormons Will Come to Accept Homosexuality" - roadmap for JWs?

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  check out this article:.

  http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2014/11/mormons_will_accept_homosexuality_mormon_church_leaders_use_revelation_to.html.

  it gives a history of how some mormon doctrine has changed over the years.. any of this sound familiar?.

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  OneEyedJoe

  I don't see it happening anytime soon. Not as long as those homosexuals insist on designing tight pants for us to wear!
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  The Regional visit, better than Seinfeld!

  by Separation of Powers in

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  seinfeld was a show about "nothing.

  " it had no plot.

  no twists.

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  OneEyedJoe

  At one point while I was listening to it, this came to mind:

  
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  Social media strategy to expose JW molestation issues

  by JimmyPage in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there are a lot of jws who will never hear about the molestation issues the wt has because all their friends on social media are fellow cult members.. what i'm going to attempt is to create a profile for an alter ego.

  it will have a profile pic and banner that says "jw.org" or some other pro-jw nonsense.. then i will attempt to befriend a jw.

  when one bites and accepts me the others will fall like dominoes and also accept my friendship.. at first i will post pro-jw things that will get me "likes", subscribers, and promotions in their news feed.. then i will lower the boom by posting the recent news video from the texas molestation story.

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  OneEyedJoe

  The comments you got are exactly what I would expect from someone who didn't read the articles about it. They're saying that it's just one guy who raped some kids (as if that's no big deal in itself) but if you read the article, it shows that this is a systemic problem.

  Though, I can say without a doubt that if you did cause any to doubt, they sure as hell won't proclaim their doubts on facebook. No one wants to deal with a visit from some elders because they had what they hoped where momentary doubts. Hopefully you've done some good!
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  Jan 2015 OKM and those "Untrue Rumours".

  by tim hooper in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why important: many that we meet in the.

  ministry are polite.

  however, jesus prophesied.

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  OneEyedJoe

  Actually I would LOVE to see the WT publish 'untrue rumors', does there even exist an untrue rumor about them? All the true facts are so powerful, I can't think of a lie that could possibly do more damage.

  Honestly, I sometimes think their complete hipocisy and lack of integrity works in their favor. Typically, any doubting JW starts out thinking that they're all well-meaning people that might just have gotten some things wrong here and there. When such a JW does a little independant research and sees nothing but "JWs joined the UN!" "JWs protect child molesters!" "JWs misquote/lie in their publications!" "Rutherford wrote a letter of support to hitler!" - When you think there's just a little wrong with the religion, and see all that you are shocked back into line thinking that it's not even worth the time to research online because it's all just a bunch of appostate lies.
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  Jan 2015 OKM and those "Untrue Rumours".

  by tim hooper in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why important: many that we meet in the.

  ministry are polite.

  however, jesus prophesied.

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  OneEyedJoe

  If he asks that Jehovah’sWitnesses not visit him again, you can assure him that his wishes will be honored.

  footnote - his wishes will be honored for a year, after which time some elders will come by and bug him to make sure he still has no interest in joining a cult. As it turns out, it would probably be a year between visits normally, so you might just assure him that his request will in no way change the frequency of the visits, just who is doing the visiting.
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  Anthony Morris - AP's in August, 900%, increase, yet decrease in BS's

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the only video that i've found of tomo is 39:00 minutes long - the ending is missing.. various posts mentioned highlights of the tremendous witness in august, with a 900% increase in ap's, as well as some other magnificent accomplishment that i cannot locate.. then i painfully listened to the video to verify, and at about 38:00, tomo bemoans the downward trend in bible studies.. the best august of all-time, yet downward trend.. looks like the toilet bowl is swirling.. .

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  OneEyedJoe

  In our congregation, there were 40-something APs in August, and at least 1/3 did not get their 30 hours, a few got less than half way there.

  There where two elders that I overheard talking about it, and both stated that they had come up 10 hours short. I suspect this is widely the case.