It seems like a rare moment of honesty, though - the abstract asks how something (disfellowshipping) that brings so much pain can be for the good. Of course if they maintained that honesty they'd answer that it isn't for anyone's good.
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Need advice on a comeback to my wife: when she is in cult mode she says faith without works is dead.
by goingthruthemotions inso i have gotten into arguements with my wife in the past about this cult.
now a days after reading steve hassan books...i just try and avoid anything jdub with her.
try to keep her in authentic mode..(not sure she really has one).
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Upcoming meeting Re: KH Construction
by pixel infresh from the "press":to all bodies of elders in the united states branch territoryre: local design/construction department broadcastdear brothers:the work of constructing and maintaining theocratic facilities throughout the unitedstates branch territory is indeed great!
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29:1) with this in mind, we are pleased to informyou of a special meeting to be presented on saturday, january 31, 2015, at 3:00 p.m. easternstandard time (est) to all elders and circuit overseers in the united states branch territory.the meeting will be approximately two and a half hours in length and will includepresentations by members of the local design/construction department, the united statesbranch committee, the worldwide design/construction department, and a member of the governingbody.
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This is nuts. Do the cult leaders think that "worldly people" are going to be drawn into the Kingdom Hall because they are going to go out of their way to drive into the parking lot, get out and look in the window?
Yeah, that's why it seems fairly clear that this change is solely meant to increase resale value for when the property matures. They're in the final stages of the transition from a literature-based ponzi scheme to a real-estate based one.
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If you're bothered by god murdering innocent children, you must have a "critical heart"
by OneEyedJoe inthis week's book study contains this gem:.
the way in which the bible is written serves to test what is in our heart.
hebrews 4:12 says: the word [or, message] of god is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit .
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Can somebody give me the physical reference to what literature the OP's quotes are from?
Sorry, it was sloppy of me to leave that out. It was from "Draw Close To Jehovah" Chapter 18, paragraph 17. You can get it on the cult website.
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Upcoming meeting Re: KH Construction
by pixel infresh from the "press":to all bodies of elders in the united states branch territoryre: local design/construction department broadcastdear brothers:the work of constructing and maintaining theocratic facilities throughout the unitedstates branch territory is indeed great!
(1 chron.
29:1) with this in mind, we are pleased to informyou of a special meeting to be presented on saturday, january 31, 2015, at 3:00 p.m. easternstandard time (est) to all elders and circuit overseers in the united states branch territory.the meeting will be approximately two and a half hours in length and will includepresentations by members of the local design/construction department, the united statesbranch committee, the worldwide design/construction department, and a member of the governingbody.
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OneEyedJoe
The LDC seminar thread:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/289353/ldc-semininar
Edit - wannabefree beat me to it!
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Upcoming meeting Re: KH Construction
by pixel infresh from the "press":to all bodies of elders in the united states branch territoryre: local design/construction department broadcastdear brothers:the work of constructing and maintaining theocratic facilities throughout the unitedstates branch territory is indeed great!
(1 chron.
29:1) with this in mind, we are pleased to informyou of a special meeting to be presented on saturday, january 31, 2015, at 3:00 p.m. easternstandard time (est) to all elders and circuit overseers in the united states branch territory.the meeting will be approximately two and a half hours in length and will includepresentations by members of the local design/construction department, the united statesbranch committee, the worldwide design/construction department, and a member of the governingbody.
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Additionally, a new, dramatically different Kingdom Hall design will be released atthis meeting.
Read: A new design that is expected to yield better re-sale value will be released at this meeting.
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2014 Statistics and Graphs for USA, UK and Australia
by jwfacts ini have done a breakdown for the usa, since the majority on this forum are american, along with the uk and australia.
us growth has slowed, but still moving along, but uk and australia have are at a virtual standstill, and in fact decreasing against population growth.. .
jehovah's witness publisher statistics - united states.
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I still think that there is growth in the US because of the Spanish and with the changes in the policies by the government this growth will continue as more foreigners arrive.
I agree - the growth is mostly spanish and other immigrants. There've been a few small foreign language groups springing up here lately, but I honestly can't remember the last time I heard of a new english congregation forming. Sure, they're building/remodeling KHs, but the only new congregations are foreign-language groups. They're just using the foreign language groups to shuffle congregations around, playing a shell game so that no one realizes that KHs are being sold very nearly as much as they're being built.
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If you're bothered by god murdering innocent children, you must have a "critical heart"
by OneEyedJoe inthis week's book study contains this gem:.
the way in which the bible is written serves to test what is in our heart.
hebrews 4:12 says: the word [or, message] of god is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit .
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Well, I didn't mean this thread to become a debate about the existence of god, but in hindsight I suppose that's sorta what happens any time you point out the logical inconsistencies in any "christian" (quotes because JWs aren't quite christians) religions reasoning for trusting the bible. The main issue for me was just that they can't seem to get through a single chapter or study article without employing glaring fallacy.
In any event, I certainly fail to see how someone can say that it was OK for the isrealites to murder children in order to keep their parents from sacrificing them to their god. I also can't understand how someone could feel that the isrealites were justified when they killed for god, but condemn muslims for doing exactly the same.
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Circuit Assembly outline
by jdubsnub ini've been out of the religion for a little while now but my family is still "strong in the truth".
i got a call today asking if i could stop by to have a discussion.
they just had their circuit assembly and this is typically when they decide to talk to me, while they're spiritually energized hah.
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I'll be honest - I went but didn't pay very good attention. There was a part that probably particularly affected your family, though. They talked about inactive people, and gave a bunch of reasons why someone might be inactive (realizing it's a cult and a scam wasn't among them, surprisingly) and encouraged people to "help" their inactive relatives.
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Will the GB use the on going conflict with Muslim extremists as a sign of the end being near?
by adjusted knowledge ini haven't read over much of the recent articles in the last decade from the wt.
i wonder if they will mention muslim extremists and use that fear as a control mechanism on their members.
i have a feeling they will resist mentioning islam specifically.
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They don't directly attack islam, but they have no qualms about using terrorism in their fear mongering to "prove" that we're in the last days.