Posts by OneEyedJoe

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Warwick Project Update Email

by wifibandit in

fwd from anon:.

dear brothers,.

we are happy to provide you with a brief progress update on the warwick project and explain how you can assist with a major adjustment recently approved in our construction schedule.

This seems to support my suspicion when it was first reported here that warwick would be finishing early. It doesn't look like they're actually ahead of schedule, but they're just moving the goal deadline. It'll be interesting to see how that pans out. Will it be viewed as god taking his blessing away if they miss their date or will it be just an adjustment from the GB "In order to make the best use of dedicated funds" again?

How does moving up the deadline help to "make the best use of dedicated funds"?

This was what I was wondering myself. The project management triangle dictates that pulling in the schedule must be countered by a greater reduction in project scope/quality in order for their to be a reduction in cost. A shorter timeline won't reduce project cost in and of itself, even if they are cheating and using unpaid labor. My hunch is that they're eyeballing the potential cash from the properties they can sell once they move out. They must really need the money if they're changing plans so drastically just to be able to sell some property 4 months earlier.

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What I would like to see soon!

by John Aquila in

i would like to see one or better two members of the governing body get disfellowshipped and they both go off to write books like ray franz exposing the cult to all the sexual scandals, the hidden agendas with the stock market investments, the lawsuits, the laying of long time bethel workers, hidden sins by the higher ups and all the other nasty skeletons in the watchtower closet..

what would be different today compared to rays time is that we now live in a social media world..

they would be invited to talk in the oprah winfrey show, ellen degeneres show, the view, dateline.

OneEyedJoe

If a GB member was paid for their defection, it would invalidate the whole thing for most anyone. The comparison would be immediately made to Judas and most JWs would completely ignore anything they say at that point. I know I would have even while I was severely doubting the cult.

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Why are projects being shut down? Nu-light speculation....

by DATA-DOG in

i went to the meeting last night.

to keep the peace for now, i guess.

anyway...... during the bible highlights, a newly appointed ms explained why construction is being curtailed in some areas.

OneEyedJoe

They take every other scripture out of context to support their little cult, why not this? It actually fits pretty well - David built a house for himself first, then was told not to bother with the temple. The GB are certainly focusing on building their own house in warwick and not worrying so much about anything else.

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Meetings, Ministry and Modification of the Flesh

by slimboyfat in

sociology of the body is a popular topic for critical analysis.

i wonder if a general survey has been undertaken in relation to watchtower's exercise of authority over the bodies of adherents.

it occurs to me they exercise authority over the body in four main ways: appearance, private practice, public performance, and location.

OneEyedJoe

No piercings other than the ears. Multiple ear piercings are frowned upon.

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Pranks to play in the hall...

by purrpurr in

jw
friends

what pranks could you/would you/ have you played in the kingdom hall?.

i have never but here's two i've thought of, 1) replace the liquid soap with glue 2) smear nutella everywhere in the bathroom!.

what's yours?.

OneEyedJoe

Only thing I ever did was throw away the magazines in the bathroom. During the memorial I tossed a couple bibles and a bible teach book while I was at it. For the last 6 months I was going to meetings I probably threw away between 30 and 60 magazines per month.

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Watchtower Paralells Mormonism

by Saved_JW in

after leaving the watchtower i had a 2 year lapse where i was studying mormonism.

not because i believed it, but because my girlfriend at the time was one.

i took the time to attend ward meetings with her, attend after church activities, join my in-laws for "family home evening" i was pretty much immersed in the culture.

OneEyedJoe

From what I understand the severity of the excommunication punishment can vary from family to family. I know that in some cases it's every bit as bad as the JW DFing.

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My fade might well start today.

by StarTrekAngel in

many here whom have read my previous posts know more or less my situation.

wife is not hardcore but we still bump heads from time to time.

if it wasn't for this cult, and while it was not an issue, we had an almost perfect marriage.

OneEyedJoe

Oh I do believe she means it. But I am not fully convinced of is that she is considering all the consequences. She doesn't think there is going to be any outsider inflicted friction in our marriage. I tell her that people are going to start looking at her with pity and begin to act accordingly. She says she doesn't care. It would not be the first time she says she doesn't care of what others think of her... that is until she does.

One thing that my therapist (more subtly than I'm going to be) often points out is that it's not really that worthwhile worrying about the possible negative consequences in cases like this. You need out of this cult. You're going to get out of this cult. Your wife says she's ok with it. Get out of the cult and if there's problems that come up between you and your wife contrary to what she says, you'll deal with it. Expecting problems can sometimes create them, and since there's not much you can do about it until it comes up, best case you've just stressed yourself out for nothing.

Take it or leave it. While your situation is certainly unenviable and something that nobody should have to endure, it actually sounds like you've got a great chance of things working out pretty well. Your wife doesn't seem to be nearly as phobic and mind-controlled as many, which means there's a reasonable chance that merely showing her the way you may lead her out.

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Do I count my time for this?

by username in

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2101981.

on page four you will see the active witness, its unmistakable by the lack of any structure in this persons post.. my username is mebiscuit, i decided to reply to the active witness post ;) .

OneEyedJoe

There are plenty of points to discredit Jehovah's Witnesses than bringing up the possibility that their founder may have been a freemason.

This. At best, calling CTR a freemason is an ad hominem attack and doesn't really mean much anyway. So what if he started out that way - God could conceivably use anyone to accomplish his will if he so desires. And personally anytime I hear someone talking about freemasons I immediately stop listening. There's too many wingnuts that go on and on about all that stuff and even if that's a valid criticism here it gets lost in the noise.

On top of that, criticism of CTR is practically irrelevant to the modern JW. I wouldn't be surprised if many JWs don't even know who he is beyond recognizing the name. I honestly can't remember the last time he was mentioned at a meeting (I mean I've been out for 6 months, but before that it must've been 5 or more years gone by without hearing him mentioned) so it's just not something that's valuable to bother with in most cases. There are so many very real, very current issues that can be raised with the cult that it seems much more worthwhile to start with that than to worry about things so far in the past.

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Do I count my time for this?

by username in

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2101981.

on page four you will see the active witness, its unmistakable by the lack of any structure in this persons post.. my username is mebiscuit, i decided to reply to the active witness post ;) .

OneEyedJoe

Yeah, the way JWs are they'll see the thing about 10 hours and immediately write off everything you said.

I'd also have left out the freemason stuff and stick more to things that are easily and completely verifiable (i.e. UN membership, etc) since anything that can't be verified (or sounds a little like a conspiracy-theory) will immediately be used to cast you as a liar in the mind of a JW.

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My fade might well start today.

by StarTrekAngel in

many here whom have read my previous posts know more or less my situation.

wife is not hardcore but we still bump heads from time to time.

if it wasn't for this cult, and while it was not an issue, we had an almost perfect marriage.

OneEyedJoe

So sorry it's going this way for you. Especially with kids in the mix, it's tough.

You can help your daughters to learn to question things, and you'll probably have better luck with that if you're out of the cult. Maybe you can reach a compromise wherein they stay at home with you for half the meetings? That would probably be more than enough to help them see daylight and want out. Or maybe insist that it be their choice as they get to the age where they can decide for themselves.

Your situation may be, in some ways, too early for the couple's therapy to really be helpful. After you've left the cult maybe you can get her to go back to deal with whatever problems arise. That way you'll be working on "what is" rather than "what may be" and that's always a much more productive conversation.

Good luck to you. The good news is that your being out will give your children an anchor to be able to escape themselves. With most kids leaving the cult eventually, having one parent that's out increases the chances by a huge factor.