What I remember well is that when I was being judged by a Judicial meeting, an elder said that under a persecution I must hate my soul (including my family), so I have to sacrifice even my family so as to be faithful to the organization.
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Protect governing body with your life
by Zoos inthere was a quote in the literature some years back about protecting the governing body from secular authorities and insinuated that we should do whatever it took to insure their safety.. i seem to remember it was something about refusing to help the authorities locate the governing body.
i may be off track here.
if this is familiar to you could you please help me find the quote?.
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I'm my favorite type of JW - Double Life
by thedepressedsoul inthe borg's tactics on most jw work.
they put fear into their mind, they guilt trip them and basically make them scared to do anything when they are away from the kingdom hall.
it allows them to control every aspect of their life.
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opusdei1972
Well, I was impelled to listen Black Sabbath and Deep Purple, and to go to a Pub to drink some beer after the saturday meetings. I wondered why I was impelled to do so after receiving spiritual food from the Unfaithful and Indiscreet Slave. However, now I understand why, this was because my inner soul knew that I was being deceived by paranoic leaders, through their literature. Now I am free to listen the music I want, without fear of Yahweh and his organization. -
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Impossible conversation: Jesus and Nicodemus: YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN
by Terry ini am a member on new testament scholar bart ehrman's blog, and the professor is currently outlining a new book he is writing about false memory and the life of jesus.. an interesting post occurred today in which he gives an example of a very famous scripture,.
example of a false memory of jesus teaching i turn to a famous passage in the gospel of john, jesus dialogue with nicodemus (john 3:1-15).
nicodemus is said to be a jewish leader who comes up to jesus and affirms that jesus must come from god because of the great things that he said to have done.
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Impossible conversation: Jesus and Nicodemus: YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN
by Terry ini am a member on new testament scholar bart ehrman's blog, and the professor is currently outlining a new book he is writing about false memory and the life of jesus.. an interesting post occurred today in which he gives an example of a very famous scripture,.
example of a false memory of jesus teaching i turn to a famous passage in the gospel of john, jesus dialogue with nicodemus (john 3:1-15).
nicodemus is said to be a jewish leader who comes up to jesus and affirms that jesus must come from god because of the great things that he said to have done.
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opusdei1972
Hi Terry , I wrote an article about things told in the NT, which could not happen. I also included that mentioned by Bart Ehrman, where Jesus pronounced that greek word of double meaning to Nicodemus. Just an impossible thing done between two aramaic speakers. It is another proof that one of the writers of the Gospel of John invented dialogues lacking historicity.
Here my article in Spanish:
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Disowning the God of the OT is not an Option
by cofty init's to their credit that many modern christians prefer the jesus of the gospels to the god of the old testament.. ot god is an embarrassment.
i am not going to list his multitude of moral crimes here but my personal favourite is his brilliant idea that a girl who is raped must marry her rapist.
it's not his biggest crime but it demonstrates a disregard for human feelings that is beyond the comprehension of every moral person.
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Cofty said :"Jesus of the gospels was an egotistical failed apocalyptic cult leader who enticed men to abandon their families and follow him around Palestine preaching nonsense."
Yes, this is what we may see through the Gospels, after applying an unbiased textual criticism. However, I don't think that the Gospels are telling us more than 20% of the personality of Jesus. Jesus did not write any book, and currently I strongly believe that he did not say things like "I and the Father are one", "before Abraham I exist", "I am the resurrection and the life", and so on. I think that some of these phrases were invented by the Johaninne community. It is highly probable that he proclaimed some apocalyptic sentences, however, I believe that we was a better speaker and thinker than those other "christs" who appeared in the first century, and this is the reason why he could survive as a leader after dying. Nevertheless, I don't blame him of anything, because I ignore what he exactly did and said. However, I apply my criticism only on the text, not on the person.
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Having Faith in the Bible
by william draper ini know many on here have lost faith in the bible , is it possible that is because ones do not have the right perspective regarding it .
we have usually been taught by bad teachers , or ignorant .
i believe if we take an honest look at the bible , we will see that it gives us the best answers to crucial matters , it gives us some amount of bearings ( understanding ) , which without having such knowledge we would all be more like walking zombies in amanner of speaking , we would be lacking hope in something better , for surely something better is to come , how can we be sure , .
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Could the following reading be fruitful for my son of 9 years old?
The word of the Lord came to me: 2 Son of man, there were two women, daughters of the same mother. 3 Even as young girls, they were prostitutes, serving as prostitutes in Egypt. There the Egyptians fondled their breasts and caressed their virgin nipples. (Ezekiel chapt. 23)
Now, suppose a young woman was raped by a man, so, should I use the following verse so as to give comfort to her?:
28 If a man comes upon a young woman, a virgin who is not betrothed, seizes her and lies with her, and they are discovered, 29 the man who lay with her shall give the young woman’s father fifty silver shekels and she will be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her as long as he lives. (Deut. chapt. 22)
Any thoughts??
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Thinking of Becoming One of Jehovah's Witnesses?
by The Searcher inif you become one of jehovah's witnesses, here are five points which will not be driven home to you until after you have been baptized as "one of jw's":.
1) you will be required to commit as much of your time and financial resources as you are able - to further the aims & acquisitions of the billion dollar corporation known as the wtbts/ccojw - namely, to recruit new members and to increase their worldwide real estate empire.. 2) you will be required to terminate "worldly" association with former friends.. 3) you will be "expected" to attend each and every meeting, assembly, convention, and kh televised broadcasts which are arranged by the self-proclaimed "governing body" (g.b.
) in brooklyn, n.y.. 4) you will be required to blindly accept any decisions/directions issuing forth from the g.b., even if you disagree with it.
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February 15, 2015 Watchtower Tells Lies About Bible Jesus!
by Island Man inpage 6, paragraph 7 dishonestly makes the following 2 claims about jesus:.
"he never called undue attention to himself.
instead, he directed all glory to his father.".
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Island Man
You quoted mostly from the Fourth Gospel, which shows another Jesus. The Fourth Gospel shows the Christ according to the views of the johannine community. The authors of this Gospel created Jesus' dialogues against the jewish leaders because the johannine community was suffering jewish shunning and persecution. Most of the jewish christians were disfellowshipped from the synagogues at the end of the first century. So, the authors needed to create an arrogant Jesus against the Pharisees so as to condemn them. The same did the author of Matthew, who seemed to write his Gospel at the end of the first century (or may be in the first half of the second one). For instance, according to John, Jesus said before the Jews that he existed before Abraham. I doubt that Jesus did such a thing. Only an arrogant crazy person could say that. -
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Why people don't believe in God
by pressman indo you want to know why i think people don't believe in god?
well i believe people don't want to believe in god because they are scared.
they know that if they finally do gorge the confidence to believe in him, he might discipline them for their skepticism.
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If God exists it is clearly obvious that He, in general, is not worried about our individual lives. For instance, if a crazy guy (as a german one did some weeks ago) controlling an airbus decides to crash it, God will not do anything to save the mortal bodies of the people therein.
Also, if God exists, He has never talked to one of us so as to tell us His actual plans. The books claiming to be God's words are all a hoax.
Accordingly, the empirical facts tell us that it does not matter if God exists, because all will die once. If we have an spiritual life after dying, we don't know. All the theologies about it, are speculations.
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Active posters: What education have you had, what degrees do you possess?
by EndofMysteries infrom so many posts and conversations on here, you'd think over 1/2 the posters here possess doctorates in theology, physics, biology, etc.
i'm curious aside from the books and research people have done here, what degrees they have.
to start, i just got an aa and going straight through full time to an mba.
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I had to get the Ph.D. degree (we call it here in Brazil "doutorado", or in English "doctorate degree). Because in Physics you can't get a good position without the doctorate degree here in Brazil. Also, when you get the doctorate degree, you are beginning your career of researcher. For instance, I have to publish annually a minimum number of papers in journals of certain reputation (of a minimum impact factor) so as to maintain my status. Otherwise I would not get financial support for my projects in the university, and the respective economical bonus. Therefore, my doctorate degree was my first step to be someone in the competitive world of the brazilian physicists. Of course, I know that in US and UK the competition is considerably harder, as in Germany. I had a postdoctoral position with two german physicists with a good number of papers published in Physical Review Letters (which is one of the best journals in Physics). However, they could not get a permanent position in their own country due to the hard competition.
