Posts by opusdei1972

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No updated Watctower's articles on Evolution

by opusdei1972 in

as far as i know, the "creation" book is out of print ?, am i right?.

well, i was searching for new watchtower articles trying to debunk, for instance, human evolution.

so, i did my homework, for the first time, so as to read past and updated papers and books on human evolution.

opusdei1972

The most absurd thing is that the Watchtower Society still shows in its literature (their Insight Encyclopedia), that Adam was created 6000 years ago:

Finally, after 930 years, most of which was spent in the slow process of dying, Adam returned to the ground from which he was taken, in the year 3096 B.C.E., just as Jehovah had said.—Ge 4:8-26; 5:5-24; Jude 14; see LAMECH No. 2. (Insight, Volume 1, Adam)

This is, of course, unacceptable in this XXI century. Neanderthals disappeared 40 000 years ago, and the overlapping with modern humans is just about 5000 years. so there were modern humans more than three decades before the mythical Adam.

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No updated Watctower's articles on Evolution

by opusdei1972 in

as far as i know, the "creation" book is out of print ?, am i right?.

well, i was searching for new watchtower articles trying to debunk, for instance, human evolution.

so, i did my homework, for the first time, so as to read past and updated papers and books on human evolution.

opusdei1972

I am no more a believer, but I have to admit that the Catholic Church has improved their understanding of some Bible texts. The Catholic Church, in practice, now admits that some Bible accounts can't be taken seriously as historical facts. Nevertheless, Jehovah's Witnesses insist in believing with literalism in Adam and Eve and the Flood's story. Let us read:

"Fundamentalism also places undue stress upon the inerrancy of certain details in the biblical texts, especially in what concerns historical events or supposedly scientific truth. It often historicizes material which from the start never claimed to be historical. It considers historical everything that is reported or recounted with verbs in the past tense, failing to take the necessary account of the possibility of symbolic or figurative meaning."

(THE INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE IN THE CHURCH, pontifical Biblical Commission Presented on March 18, 1994 )

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No updated Watctower's articles on Evolution

by opusdei1972 in

as far as i know, the "creation" book is out of print ?, am i right?.

well, i was searching for new watchtower articles trying to debunk, for instance, human evolution.

so, i did my homework, for the first time, so as to read past and updated papers and books on human evolution.

opusdei1972

As far as I know, the "Creation" book is out of print ?, Am I right?. if so, WHY ?,... well, I was searching for new Watchtower articles trying to debunk, for instance, human evolution. So, I did my homework, for the first time, so as to read past and updated papers and books on human evolution. So I downloaded papers published in Science, Nature, Journal of Human Evolution, Evolutionary Anthropology, Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, the book "The Primate Origins of Human Nature", and the book "The First Humans, Origin and Early Evolution of the Genus Homo". So, I think I did a good homework by observing the fosil records, then I proved for myself that the current evidence is overwhelming in showing that there were primitive homo species well before Neanderthals and modern humans. Even Neanderthals show morphological difference in some bones.

So, I suspect that the Society would have a hard task in writing a new "Creation" book, regarding the overwhelming updated evidences. See, for example, the Turkana boy (a Homo Erectus of 1.5 millions of years. It is not a monkey, nor a human. So, the Society is avoiding to treat this issue many years ago.

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Catholic church raised a cry of alarm, every year thousand of Catholics become J.W

by James Mixon in

my brother (elder) e-mailed this to my sister(not a jw).

the francisco pope praises j.w worldwide.

oh shit, they will have a field day with this.

opusdei1972

I don't think that currently the Witnesses are increasing.

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What Happens to Adam and Eve?

by Cold Steel in

in jw theology, what happens to adam and eve?

are they resurrected and become heirs to paradise on earth?

or will they become two of the heavenly class?

opusdei1972

This is my interpretation of the fundation of the Jehovism theology, which also applies for Jehovah's organization mind. Jehovah wanted them to be ignorant, this is why the tree of the forbidden fruit was called "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil". Once you eat the fruit of the knowledge your "god" can't be Jehovah, because the god of the Bible is the god of the ignorance.

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Using the term "Watchtower" when talking to a JW

by Sanchy in

jw
friends

has anyone else noticed how alarm bells go off inside a jw mind as soon as they hear someone that "is out" refer to the leaders of this org as "watchtower"?

i've chatted with a few friends now about my doubts and each and every time i've started using phrases such as "watchtower said this" or "watchtower did that", i can almost see their heads about to explode in anger, as if they've just realized they are talking to the lucifer himself.

some have even interrupted and corrected me by reminding me that it's not "watchtower", it's "god's organization".

opusdei1972

Gerrit Losch ( a governing body member) was asked to declare about the Watchtower, but he said that he has nothing to do with the Watchtower, because he leads the Jehovah's Witnesses. Of course, this is a lie, but as I see, the dubs are using the same tactic.

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Call for Judicial Hearing by signed letter

by sp74bb in

jw
friends

i'm quite surprised about the new approach of some local congregation brothers respect about my fade.... funny, ilegal and very dangerous in view of the different laws regarding personal data and minorities in spain and in the eu.... i already organized a press meeting with main newspapers in spain.

many has shown interest in this situation.

the fact of that a parallel judicial system do exist is amazing them.

opusdei1972

My sister was accused of apostasy by the elders and they asked her to attend a judicial hearing, however, she asked them a formal letter specifying the charge so as to attend the judicial hearing with her attorney. Nevertheless, the elders did not want to do anything in writing. After some years, they disfellowshipped her by phone, but they always avoided to put something in writing.

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They are knocking the door (llaman a la puerta)

by opusdei1972 in

in the 90s, a peruvian rock band composed a song called "llaman a la puerta" (they are knocking the door) related to the door to door service.

i confess that once i knocked a door in field service and the kids there started to sing the song.

i have translated the lyric:.

opusdei1972

In the 90s, a peruvian rock band composed a song called "llaman a la puerta" (they are knocking the door) related to the door to door service. I confess that once I knocked a door in field service and the kids there started to sing the song.

I have translated the lyric:

llaman a la puerta
(They are knocking the door)
Quién será?
(Who are they?)
Son un par de mongos
(They are a couple of fools)
No les habras, no
(don't open the door, DO NOT)
Hablan como gringos
(they speak like gringows)
No descansan ni el domingo
(they don't rest even on sunday)
Siempre el mismo rollo: salvación
(always the same stuff: salvation)
Folosofía de pollo
(it's philosphy of chicken)
siempre el mismo disco
(the same tape(disk) as always)
más rayado que un disco
(more streaked than a disk)
No me dejan descansar
(they don't let me rest)
No me dejan trabajar
(they don't let me work)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtPBUsRD2eU

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My Favouite Inappropriate Watchtower Pictures

by pale.emperor in

i'd love to see you're favorite wt illustrations/photo's that they think are fine to print - but are actually kind of creepy/wierd.. .

here's my three fave from my book of bible stories (yes, a book for children!)..

man gets his head nailed into the floor with a tent pin by a good jehovah worshipper:.

opusdei1972

what about this?

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The 1914 doctrine: How long it will last?

by opusdei1972 in

one hundred years have passed and the society still supports this lie, which of course, is the basis of their other lies, like that of the unfaithful and not discreet slave appointed in 1919. however, i wonder, what will happen after 50 years, when the overlapped generation will pass?.

and if you want, what will happen with this religion in 2100?, could it survive with the same lie??

?.

opusdei1972

One hundred years have passed and the Society still supports this lie, which of course, is the basis of their other lies, like that of the unfaithful and not discreet slave appointed in 1919. However, I wonder, what will happen after 50 years, when the overlapped generation will pass?. And if you want, what will happen with this religion in 2100?, could it survive with the same lie???