Posts by Mephis

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1,000 sex abuse cases hidden in Australia for 68,000 publishers...what is it worldwide?

by cappytan in

the press is reporting that over 1,000 cases of abuse were hidden from authorities in australia.. australia has around 68,000 publishers.. if you that ratio applied to the u.s. also, there could be over 14,700 cases that were covered up here.. if the ratio held the same worldwide, that would be over 117,600 cases.. just let that sink in a little..

Mephis

The 1006 case files include 190 who received reproof only. 11 of those received reproof multiple times.

Can I just clarify something sir82 - are you saying that those must be after a change of policy in the 90s, and that prior to then there would be absolutely no record held by a branch office if someone was merely reproved for a serious sexual crime?

Absolutely on this is just those which were reported and then ended up in case file. This is minimum numbers really. And in such a relatively small community.

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Royal Commission convened for now, but Jackson is an asshole

by umbertoecho in

i have just finished listening to this man jackson.

i remember him well.

he is twisting things around as much as he is allowed.

Mephis

Horley's testimony to direct questions from the commissioner has destroyed their defence from civil cases where they have a duty of care to protect by letting people know there is an abuser in their midst. In fact, he near enough says that the protection is for the abuser (and in this case his reputation) and not the congregation or those who've suffered abuse.

Those who are standing up and speaking out and reporting to this commission are doing far more to protect the congregation and the vulnerable within it than the elders supposedly responsible for doing that.

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Media headline:Jehovah's Witnesses did not report 1006 alleged sex abusers to police, royal commission told

by fulltimestudent in

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check it for yourself: .

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/jehovahs-witnesses-did-not-report-1006-alleged-sex-abusers-to-police-royal-commission-told-20150727-gil1u7.

not a good look!.

Mephis

Fading Truth - in countries like Australia and the UK, a commission like this has powers to force people to appear and testify, as well as to demand any and all documents related to the inquiry. The penalty for failing to do this can be imprisonment and/or fines. There is no legal way out of this, beyond some very specific exemptions. It's more akin to Congressional investigative hearings than a civil court case.

The records come from two requests made in February 2015 by this commission. They evidently were held by the Australian branch.

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Update on Royal Commission

by umbertoecho in

paedophiles repeatedly promoted to positions of authority in jehovahs witness church royal commission told.

1 hour ago july 27, 2015 12:45pm.

counsel assisting the royal commission, angus stewart sc has told the royal commission that church elders could now face criminal charges.

Mephis

Just to clarify something which seems to be confusing people, the 1006 refers to individuals against whom allegations have been made and not individual cases or the number of allegations.

From the opening address.

"During the investigation of this case study, Watchtower Australia produced some 5,000 documents pursuant to summonses issued by the Royal Commission on 4 and 28 February 2015. Those documents include 1,006 case files relating to allegations of child sexual abuse made against members of the Jehovah’s Witness Church in Australia since 1950 – each file for a different alleged perpetrator of child sexual abuse"

[Bolding mine]

And, as others have said, these are the ones which made it onto a file.

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Update on Royal Commission

by umbertoecho in

paedophiles repeatedly promoted to positions of authority in jehovahs witness church royal commission told.

1 hour ago july 27, 2015 12:45pm.

counsel assisting the royal commission, angus stewart sc has told the royal commission that church elders could now face criminal charges.

Mephis

Imagine instead a town of 20,000 people slowly growing to over 60,000 over 65 years, and having 15 new child sex offenders reported each and every year. That would raise a lot of questions about just what the authorities in that town were up to with their safeguarding policies.

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The Australian Royal Commission hearings on the JWs handling of child abuse begins here in the US later today. It will be streamed.

by AndersonsInfo in

the royal commission hearing starting on monday, july 27, 2015 - australian day and date - (and it could go on until august 7th depending on how many witnesses testify) regarding jehovah's witnesses handling of child abuse is supposed to be streamed.. it could be that the hearing will only be audio not video although we were informed it will be streamed.

we'll find out in a few hours.. i live in the central time zone of the us and right now here it is sunday, 3: 45 pm.

in sydney, australia, it is 15 hours ahead of us.

Mephis

The 'different procedures now' was covered in the proceedings today. The judge and QC kept referencing them back to the Shepherding book and asking them why their instructions were exactly the same as before and, at one stage, the judge asked the CO directly to give an example of how they have changed. The CO couldn't give one. The CO, right at the end of today's proceedings, introduced the idea of letters from HQ changing things, so it's there to be followed up on. To me though what stands out is the direct evidence of it not having changed - what happened in Australia with regards to the victims being forced to confront their abusers also happened just last year in Manchester, UK - and is one of the reasons why they are being investigated here too.

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The Australian Royal Commission hearings on the JWs handling of child abuse begins here in the US later today. It will be streamed.

by AndersonsInfo in

the royal commission hearing starting on monday, july 27, 2015 - australian day and date - (and it could go on until august 7th depending on how many witnesses testify) regarding jehovah's witnesses handling of child abuse is supposed to be streamed.. it could be that the hearing will only be audio not video although we were informed it will be streamed.

we'll find out in a few hours.. i live in the central time zone of the us and right now here it is sunday, 3: 45 pm.

in sydney, australia, it is 15 hours ahead of us.

Mephis

LostGeneration - yeah, he did. He said that their publications were support for victims of abuse. He also said someone abused could speak to a 'mature sister', and then got hammered about how that squared with him warning people about gossiping and how that effectively left the poor girl without anyone to turn to for support.

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The Australian Royal Commission hearings on the JWs handling of child abuse begins here in the US later today. It will be streamed.

by AndersonsInfo in

the royal commission hearing starting on monday, july 27, 2015 - australian day and date - (and it could go on until august 7th depending on how many witnesses testify) regarding jehovah's witnesses handling of child abuse is supposed to be streamed.. it could be that the hearing will only be audio not video although we were informed it will be streamed.

we'll find out in a few hours.. i live in the central time zone of the us and right now here it is sunday, 3: 45 pm.

in sydney, australia, it is 15 hours ahead of us.

Mephis

At least 125 known to have had allegations against them in Australia did not go to judicial committee because of the two witness rule. (source: opening statement pdf).

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The Australian Royal Commission hearings on the JWs handling of child abuse begins here in the US later today. It will be streamed.

by AndersonsInfo in

the royal commission hearing starting on monday, july 27, 2015 - australian day and date - (and it could go on until august 7th depending on how many witnesses testify) regarding jehovah's witnesses handling of child abuse is supposed to be streamed.. it could be that the hearing will only be audio not video although we were informed it will be streamed.

we'll find out in a few hours.. i live in the central time zone of the us and right now here it is sunday, 3: 45 pm.

in sydney, australia, it is 15 hours ahead of us.

Mephis

This elder is being absolutely skewered here on how grossly inadequate the policies he's been told to follow are. He can clearly see just how bad it is having to answer these questions.

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How do jw's explain vestigial organs in humans?

by purrpurr in

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i only recently became aware of cases of people being born with tails.

having looked into it this is a evolutionary leftover and we have many other examples within each one of us like the appendix, wisdom teeth, and muscles to move the ears.

plus many more, this seems to me to prove evolution completely.

Mephis

I don't recall it being cited from a WT, but the explanation I was given was that the Bible forgot to mention god playing about with human internal organs around the time of the flood. Or words to that effect. Something to do with us needing to be changed from vegetarians to omnivores so body bits needed some rejigging to allow it. I once tried to get a reasonable answer on evolutionary hangovers (snakes' legs, I was curious about the whole punishment of being made to wiggle on their bellies thing) during the time the Creation book was the Tuesday night staple, but was effectively told not to worry my little head about it and to ask in the new system instead.