Posts by apostrate

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Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$

by oneyeopen in

o.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.

coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.

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apostrate

Viviane,

"As far as I know. Do you have any evidence of a church being forced to marry a gay couple? If not, then that point is irrelevant to a public business having to follow the law."

Nope. I do not have any evidence of a church being forced to marry a gay couple. The original discussion was about if churches will soon be forced to marry gay couples.

Since the discussion has now deteriorated into name calling, I have said all I'm going to. Good luck! As Dennis Miller would say, I am outta here!

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Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$

by oneyeopen in

o.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.

coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.

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apostrate

Viviane,

You make some valid points. Please remember that I am just relaying what I heard on the radio. It's no big secret, it was Rush Limbaughs show. I heard that a couple of months ago, and as I do not have a photographic memory, I wasn't quoting verbatim. Those may not have been the exact words Limbaugh used but the meaning was the same. I should note that I am NOT a ditto-head, I do not listen to him very often and I do not agree with everything the man says.

Again, I am neutral in this battle, but please let me ask you this, you are right, churches are not (supposedly) a business. So, not being a business, don't they have a right to decide whom they choose to wed? If a couple of Catholics ask a Jehovahs Witness to perform their wedding ceremony in the Kingdom Hall, I'd be willing to bet that the elder would graciously decline (not before offering them some literature and a free Bible Study, of course!)

Is that actually discrimination? Don't most religions cater to those of their own faith? (I know JW's are not really a religion, they are a book publishing business) but c'mon, play along here for the sake of the discusion!

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Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$

by oneyeopen in

o.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.

coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.

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apostrate

Okay, in repsonse to the question "Why would two homosexuals want to be married in a church that does not approve of homosexuality"?, I would lke to pass on a theory that I heard on a popular radio program. And let me also say up front that I am neither homosexual nor christian, so I don't have a dog in this fight!

If a church does not want to perform a marriage ceremony for a homosexual couple, there are plenty of churches that will gladly do so. So, why doesn't the couple in question merely go to one of the churches that will?

There is a small segment of the homosexual community that is decidedly militant in their politics. Their purpose in targeting specific churches is to bring them down and put them out of business. By yelling DISCRIMINATION and asking them to do something that they know very well is against their beliefs, they want to drive them out of business.

Now, before anybody goes insulting me or calling me names, again, I just want to let you know that I am passing along what I heard. I don't know if it is true or not. It is a very popular radio show, someone else reading this may have heard it also!

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Name the GOOD things and NICE things about Jehovah's Witnesses

by stuckinarut2 in

ok, so in the interests of balance....(as it has rightly been pointed out that i am getting more bitter toward the org), can we think of any positive or nice things about jehovah's witnesses?.

just throwing this topic out there....... .

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apostrate

When I was young and still in the Org I cane to the realization that, for the most part, becoming a Witness did not really change peoples personalities that much. That is, people who were A**Holes before becoming a JW were still A**Holes after becoming a JW. People who were really nice before becoming a JW were still really nice after becoming a JW. People who were really naive before becoming a JW,.....you get the picture.

Just as in every religion or political group, Jehovahs Witnesses are made up of all types. But JW's are most definitely being duped. The Watchtower Society is no different from the "Nigerian Prince" scam or the Bernie Maddoff ponzie scheme. Except that The Watchtower steals more than your money, they steal your very soul!

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Undeniable proof the Organisation has Jehovahs Blessing and Direction

by wheelwithinwheel in

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James Bond 007 or James West from "The Wild Wild West", which prophet will you choose to follow?

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The Witness beliefs remind me of the Nazis and ISIS

by NAVYTOWN in

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the nazi regime hated jews, gays, jws and other minorities.

so they solved the 'problem' by exterminating them.

the current isis group hates jews and christians and beheads those it considers 'enemies' and 'infidels'.

apostrate

ISIS beheads apostates. Jehovahs Witnesses spiritually behead apostates (disfellowshipping, treating the apostate as though he/she were dead). Both have a similar agenda, convert or die.

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I AGREE WITH THE JWs: THE 'SOUL' DOESN'T EXIST

by NAVYTOWN in

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i agree with the witnesses about almost nothing, but i do think they have the right idea when it concerns the 'soul'.

it is my belief that there is no such entity as a 'soul' that resides in a human being.

the idea originated in ancient, pre-scientific eras.

apostrate

I have a computer. What makes my computer unique and different from anyone else's is the information that I save, i.e., programs, mp3's, pictures, etc. One day my computer will wear out, just like all material things do. But, the information that I have saved can live on. I can take the hard drive (brain) out and put it in another computer (body). Or, I can transfer the information, wirelessly, into another computer!

I believe that anyone reading this gets the idea that I am making. The important thing is the DATA (soul), NOT the computer (body). Now, I personally DO NOT believe in much of anything that the Watchtower teaches, and to be honest, I don't put a lot of stock into the Bible. Nevertheless, I most definitely DO believe in a higher source that created the earth and mankind. If man has devised a way to transfer information, wirelessly, into other objects, who's to say that a higher source cannot transfer the soul (information) into another body, whether it is a physical body or a spiritual body?

I don't know and I am not saying that what I have put forth is fact, I just throw it out there as a possibility.

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Would you convert to a religion for love?

by new hope and happiness in

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i am sure people convery to a religion to find peace and spiritual awakening.

i also bet many convert simply for love.

would you to assist " true love" if it required converting to a particular faith?.

apostrate

Back in the 70's at one of the meetings, an elder raised his hand and related his experience of how he came into the 'truth". I'll try to keep this as short as possible, he basically told of how when he was young he started a new job and there was this good looking gal there that caught his eye. His male coworkers laughed and said "Good luck, you'll need it". That young good looking gal was a Jehovahs Witness who turned her nose up at all who had asked her out, she would only date JW's. So he struck up a conversation with her and said he was interested in learning more about JW's. Well, she set him up with some 'brothers" who studied with him and in a short amount of time, guess what! He became a JW! Then the girl went out with him, they eventually got married and lived happily ever after.

Of course, every one in the Hall clapped and thought to themselves, "My, isn't that a lovely story". And I suppose it was a lovely story, but I couldn't help thinking to myself, he basically just said that he became a JW in order to "get the girl". And, you know what, it happens all the time! Not just in JW circles, but in all religions and social events.

If this girl had been a Mormon then he would have been relating his story in a Mormon Church.

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An Elder said: 'They're in prison for a reason'

by NAVYTOWN in

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several years ago, i was studying the bible (jw literature) with an ms from the local congregation.

i happened to mention that i had several pen pals who were incarcerated in various prisons.

no matter what crimes they committed, i said i saw them as fellow human being who deserved to have a friend to write to.

apostrate

Terry,

If you take your outline, numbered 1 thru 7, and substitute the word criminal with Watchtower Society, it is just as applicable.

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JW.ORG REPORTS THE WATCHTOWER RESPONSE TO EBOLA

by NAVYTOWN in

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i just checked the jw.org website and noticed an article about the jw response to ebola.

as i suspected, the entire focus was on alerting and educating jw members about ebola.just like in other disaster situations, the jw organization almost exclusively assists it's own members, ignoring the general public.

it seems their main concern is keeping their members healthy so they can continue to spread the jw message door to door!!!

apostrate

The Watchtower, January 1, 1942 page 5 says:

The Watchtower does not consist of men's opinions.

The Golden Age, March 18, 1931 Page 404 says:

Do you know the germ theory has never been proven? And it cannot be proven, either. If it had been proven, it would not be a theory. It has been truly said that knowledge without evidence is superstition, and that applies to the germ theory also. It is a leftover superstition of a past age, when men feared that the earth was inhabited with hideous monsters that were hiding everywhere, in the air, in the sea, in the darkness, etc., always ready to jump out and devour him or make life otherwise miserable for him......We have turned from a gigantic monster theory, to the germs, which are so small that we cannot hear, see, feel, smell, or taste them.

So, this is what Jehovahs spirit directed them to write, huh? And, of course, we know that Jehovah does not change! So, be comforted in knowing that this whole ebola thing is just mans crazy superstition!