Posts by BucketShopBill

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Would You Convert to Islam to Avoid getting Your Head Chopped Off? Atheist to Polytheist, what say you?

by BucketShopBill in

would you convert to islam if they were holding your head on a ax block, ready to swing the ax or sword to cut your head off?

we know there are people who died for their political and spiritual values, would you convert to islam to avoid death?

for atheists, can you justify conversion to preserve life since there is no life after death?

BucketShopBill

Good link! The inactive ones are forced to pretend their zealous and watched by their neighbors. The Middle East was under a dark cloud even during the Ottoman Empire, whose idea was it to reintroduce us to Islam and kill off their leaders that kept radicals in check? Whose fault is it that the West took out the only Person-People "Dictators" that kept that region on control? Have you noticed nobody is screaming about Syria now? Notice nobody is yelling about Egypt and how the Military has kicked the Islamic brotherhood out of office? I think people in offices are figuring out the Dictators and Mullahs (Iran) are not evil, removing these men was the worst thing the West has done! We are blood guilty as Western Countries that wrongfully invaded countries who used power to mantain order! Bring Back Saddam Hussein! Bring back Gaddaffi! Sorry if I spelled them wrong, this article you posted on "Pathos"(below) is amazing, he's being more conservative. I read they do "house inspections" to make sure you are being a good Muslim. Here's what happen's to Christians, if your Homosexual your screwed under Islamic law!

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Sawan Masih’s lawyer said a judge announced the verdict during a hearing at the jail where the trial has been held, amid fears for his client’s safety if he attended court.

The 26-year-old Masih, who is a father of three, has consistently maintained his innocence during the year-long trial.

He argues the real reason for the blasphemy allegation was a property dispute between him and his friend.

That’s how many blasphemy cases come about. If someone gets into a dispute with another person, accusing them of blasphemy is a good way of inflicting pain on them.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2014/03/31/pakistani-christian-gets-death-penalty-for-blasphemy/

Crofty, who do you think is going to win this War over time? Intelligent peaceful people or Radicals whose core goals since 580 AD has been to rid the World of all non-Islamic people?

" In the Middle East, Some Atheists Fake-Fast During Ramadan To Avoid Detection

July 9, 2014 by Hemant Mehta 39 Comments

We know it’s not easy to be an atheist in the Middle East. In Saudi Arabia, for example, vocal atheism is on par with terrorism. But I didn’t realize to what extent atheists are trying to avoid detection.

According to a report at Vocativ by Inna Lazareva and Noam Binshtok, some atheists are even fasting during Ramadan just so no one will catch on....."

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aid one anonymous Arab atheist,

“The constant threat of being caught not fasting, which carries severe punishment of lashings and up to a year in prison, makes one vigilant and worried. Ramadan is like Christmas but you are forced to go to Mass and say your prayers, by law”.

Another anonymous atheist explained how he gamed the system:

“I stay at work without food but every now and then I go to the bathroom to drink water, and when I’m going in the morning to work I go to a hidden place in the car and take a small sandwich.”

There’s the mark of an oppressive region for you: It’s not enough that you have to suppress your dissenting thoughts. You also have to play the part of a Muslim just to keep your job and stay out of prison. Scary shit."

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/07/09/in-the-middle-east-some-atheists-fake-fast-during-ramadan-to-avoid-detection/

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Question for current and former elders: did you feel qualified to give counsel for depression?

by kneehighmiah in

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do you feel the counseling demands placed on elders are fair and scriptural?.

i live in an economically depressed industial city.

my dad is an elder in a lower income black congregation.

BucketShopBill

I know Elders who spend more time counseling others while their family is falling apart. How many Elders do you know that were more than happy to leave their homes during the week to help others? The Watchtower make's people think they have skills they do not, heard this many times by many Elders "I am a psychologist, therapist, human behaviour observor and money manager thank's to the Watchtower!". This Elder who told me this, well, he kinda did not apply the Divine Wisdom from New York. After stealing from the Congregation, he took off with another Elder's wife (leaving his seven kids alone and wife penny-less) and finally after his new girl found out he was evil, she dumped his fat ass and he put a gun to his mouth and blew his brains out!"

Life can be brutal, the Watchtower refused to allow it's members help for Depression almost it's entire time as a Cult. Things like "If you have problems, you most not be doing enough!"

"Got Depression? You don't see the Pioneers or Auxies sitting around acting Blue, their two busy, not self-absorbed and have no time for Depression or Mental Illness!

You might be surprised how many Elders think they have skills they do not, so many of the Elders are becoming personal recluses allowing the Sheep to disappear for months to years before they send out their well-skilled Elders ready to offer psychotherapy. Young Elders are quickly burned out from the relentless nut-balls who call all hours of every day wanting to bend their ears. The older Elders are smart, they get "caller-ID" and screen to avoid getting trapped for two hours on the phone with "Mental Molly" or "Bob Bummer". The Governing Body need to sit back and enjoy the insane Sheep, than they might decide to improve the education of the Elders. The poor Elders are so uneducated and can't meet the needs of "mentals", a lot of Elders have ascended past the Watchtower Guilt and avoid Emotional Burnout by reading Non-Watchtower materials and focus on their family! Those are the Elders that figured it out, it's a waste of time and their job is to make their wife happy and further the interest of their family first, not Mad Martha or Bob Bummer!

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JEHOVAH WITNESS PEDOPHILE COVER-UP ON CNN SUNDAY NIGHT! FREDRICK MCLEAN!

by BucketShopBill in

hi everyone, this has been what i have waited for, fredrick mclean is up next on cnn's "most wanted" and "hunted show", so far two of their topics are dead!.

last sunday's "the hunt" blew his head off monday morning!

let's hope cnn get's jehovah witness fredrick mclean!

BucketShopBill

Lamb'sButton, I am surprised the Elders even admitted that! "Deny! Deny! Deny!" "Ignore! Ignore! Ignore! (unless the Pedophile spoke something bad against the Governing Body, than their ears perk up!) "Revise! Revise! Revise!'

Watchtower Rules, you deny there is a problem, ingore people who say there is a problem and revise history! The victims of the sexual predators were "weak", "did not want to preach", "did not listen to wise counsel from their local Jar-Jar Binks Elders", "the victims put Jehovah's name in the Media, why not be patient and wait because Pedophiles can change with proper instruction and visits from Elders!" I wish I recorded the trash the Elders said to the victims, they never helped, their goal was to get the victims to disassociate themselves or disfellowship them while they rehabilitated the Pedophiles. Surprise! Surprise! Surprise! The Sexual Predator struck again, "he promised not to do it again!" "he's crying so let's give him another chance because he is my employer and helped pay some of my medical bills!" That's what caliber the JW Elder is, sorry but there are more worthless Elders than good, if we had more good, Pedophiles would not have been covered over!

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The "Preaching" Work As A Dead Parrot

by metatron in

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/dead_parrot_sketch.

inspired by a car salesman.

as with john cleese's apoplectic performance, there is never any admission that the "preaching" work, door to door in particular, is dead and has been for some time.

BucketShopBill

"Idle" or "Busy Work" is used to keep people from thinking, that's what this work is all about! How many JW Apologist are you aware of, how many are giving a "Question and Answer" program at Universities instead of a rusty table with Watchtowers and books sitting on their perch? The new Literature Carts are "dead Parrots", we know the preaching work as done by JWs is 80% ineffective if not higher, how do we know? According to Fred Franz and all the individuals he questioned while he was still at Bethel,he learned that most JWs come to the Watcthower via family, friends and co-workers. It's obvious to everyone who visit's this site the Watchtower is nothing more than a Ponzi Scheme to benefit the Top Dogs at Bethel. Rutherford was evil, he "lifted" the proceeds from hard-working Bible Students to live a life of luxury. When you were in their truth, would you have believed everything the Internet has brought forward on his life-style? I know it hurt when I read my first non-JW book on Cults, I returned it as fast as I could because it really hurt to realize I was in a Cult. Those doubts laid dormant until I saw how things really work, the corruption, the lies, Peter Principle and Ass Kissing was how people were appointed! The Governing Body know they have stolen life away from us but justify that "They are better people now than they were before!" ideas.

You buy something hoping to benefit greatly, because you researched it with great-great-great due diligence only to see it's now worth 50% of what you paid. Instead of selling it, Hope set's in and you wait and wait, you refuse to sell until it's worth 10% or 1% of the value. It happen's all the time, the Great Meltdown of 2000 "Dot.Com Bubble", the Real Estate Implosion, Subprime Debt. The Elite Professionals knew this was going to happen, it was unsustainable so they bought Credit Default Swaps, Sold Assets Short, Bought Put-Options and only a few who knew the inner workings of these products made a killing.

The Governing Body is not stupid, they know that people are afraid of admitting "I was wrong preaching for Fifty Years, or Ten years, ect.." The benefit of coming forward even if you realize it's a total lie is harsh because your friends and family might not be like you, these concepts are too painful and thought-consuming so they remain in a state of anxious-chosen Ignorance. What you are thinking is happening now, the kids younger than us are realizing this is a lie but refuse to stand up because they figure the Watchtower is the lessor of evils. There is some research that try's to get in to the minds of Cults and High-Group-Mind-Control like the "Millerites" who blindly followed this false prophet of the 1800s because there were reports of War, Earthquakes and the "usual suspects" of life that alerted "the elect", "chosen by God" to survive the Second Coming. Nobody learns, look at Harold Canby (American Preacher and False Prophet) who was deluded. Instead of learning from the Past and his own mistakes in 1995, he thought he was the "Faithful Slave" and Jesus revealed a secret code to his followers the "Chosen" (Dr. Canby believed in absolute Pre-Determinism, you were either going to Heaven or Hell and there is nothing you can do about it! Yet his message created fear because of the events during 9-11-2001) via the Bible. Miller, Russell, Rutherford, Canby all were False Prophets with lots of failed prophecy and these facts are readily available to all who wish to look. The problem is "Followers" are conditioned not to think, to disregard logic and reason because that shows faith!

The Watchtower and it's leaders have proven to be False Prophets and are now testing the limits of their powers in a declining religion by telling the Elders and Sheep "If you hear something come from the Podium that sounds illogical, you must obey without questions or thinking, Just Do it!". Ask yourself, how much heart-break and pain did your break-away cost, some have little to lose and others lose their entire World, it's how it works. No amount of "Forced Revelation" will ever make free-will agents do the right thing and the Watchtower is hoping they can keep this Con going on as long as they can. Notice how they don't have much growth with educated, able-body and healthy people, it's always people with lots of issues who long to end their pain the Watchtower attracts.

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Would You Convert to Islam to Avoid getting Your Head Chopped Off? Atheist to Polytheist, what say you?

by BucketShopBill in

would you convert to islam if they were holding your head on a ax block, ready to swing the ax or sword to cut your head off?

we know there are people who died for their political and spiritual values, would you convert to islam to avoid death?

for atheists, can you justify conversion to preserve life since there is no life after death?

BucketShopBill

Would you convert to Islam if they were holding your head on a Ax Block, ready to swing the Ax or Sword to cut your head off? We know there are people who died for their Political and Spiritual Values, would you convert to Islam to avoid Death? For Atheists, can you justify conversion to preserve life since there is no life after death? You must do all you can to avoid dying premature, would you Christians or Atheists stand up for your beliefs? Thanks, it's a honest question I was wondering if I had the moral fiber to no Disown Jesus Christ, if you are Agnostic or Atheist it's fair to postulate you have nothing to lose by conversion. What would you do?

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Samuel Herd said we should preach wherever we are told to, even if there are bullets flying everywhere and dead bodies found in the territory.

by defender of truth in

this man's views are dangerous.

go to the link at the bottom of this post.

download fear of giants(ok).mp3.

BucketShopBill

Dude, you are so smart! That hit me now, not the Bible but their literature that's now considered trash or Apostate! Thank's for helping me understand something new, thank you! JWs risked their life to bring in Watchtower Literature, not the Holy Bible, their Waffle Words.

D.C.M.S. wrote

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It reminds me of JWs during WWII who were imprisoned in Nazi conentration camps. They risked their lives as free people, and again as prisoners, to smuggle-not Bibles- but the Watchtower magazine. Their allegiance was to WT and its theology because it was "god's organization".

And look at what they risked freedom and life for: doctrines that were taught then as "absolute truth", so important to a JW they'd risk all for it, have largely been discarded as nonsense (old light) and are no longer relevant to JWs today, barely a blip in WT history. JWs paying with their lives for beliefs that weren't worth the paper they were written on.

Today: WT is still telling JWs to risk their lives to spread a message that no doubt will be trashed/modified/minimized as time goes by, and the message/doctrines JWs now feel is worth their lives to preach will be snickered at by future JWs as merely the silliness of WT's past as it "progressed".

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Circuit Overseer cutbacks?

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

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it was announced at our meeting tonight that our co (who is actually a pretty good sort) and his wife have been reassigned as regular pioneers.

they are both relatively young (50s) and have been used extensively by the society recently.

as far as i know there are no personal issues.

BucketShopBill

It's called "Bumping" in the Business World, if your a reasonably young DO you can bump the C.O. in to the Special Pioneer work. It's fair, the D.O was there first and probably has more years of service.

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Will someone, please, stop ISIS?

by skeeter1 in

will anyone stop isis?by josh levs, cnnupdated 2:07 pm edt, thu august 7, 2014(cnn) -- if you're following the news about isis, which now calls itself the islamic state, you might think you've mistakenly clicked on a historical story about barbarians from millennia ago.. in a matter of months, the group seized territory in both iraq and syria and declared an islamic caliphate, celebrating its own shocking slaughter along the way.. "i don't see any attention from the rest of the world," a member of the yazidi minority in iraq told the new yorker.

"in one day, they killed more than two thousand yazidi in sinjar, and the whole world says, 'save gaza, save gaza.'".

in syria, the group hoisted some of its victims severed heads on poles.

BucketShopBill

Crofty, you saw that on Wolf Blizter too? I wonder what George W Bush think's, will his kids have to go to War if there is a WW3? The World need's Russia's help to exterminate ISIS, instead of picking on Russia for invading Ukraine, might the World be better off with Vlad on their side? ISIS is not going away, there is no incentive for them to stop. Iran, Saudia Arabia need to really reevaluate their views on ISIS, I think Iran would help the United States if we asked them to exterminate such a wicked group of humans. ISIS will not tolerate a king and royalty and will quickly overthrow Saudi Arabia if given the chance, these vermin have no morals or values, they will kill and throw their World back in the 1400s again!

"Might be a nice time for Jesus to step forward and help the Christians in the Middle East" I was thinking but history has had way far horrors than this, I don't know what the solution is!

Maybe this time (Fourth Time is a Charm!) if the Kurds fight they will be given their own homeland as promised by the UK, United States and others who used them for their dirty work.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Craig+Winn+interview+Islam

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JEHOVAH WITNESS PEDOPHILE COVER-UP ON CNN SUNDAY NIGHT! FREDRICK MCLEAN!

by BucketShopBill in

hi everyone, this has been what i have waited for, fredrick mclean is up next on cnn's "most wanted" and "hunted show", so far two of their topics are dead!.

last sunday's "the hunt" blew his head off monday morning!

let's hope cnn get's jehovah witness fredrick mclean!

BucketShopBill

The Episode featuring the most famous Jehovah's Witness Pedophile is set to air on Sunday August 10th 2014. We as a community need to start emailing John Walsh now! Why, because he does not know about the Watchtower's policy of "gag orders" to members hurt by Pedophiles. John Walsh does not know you can get Disfellowshiped because you went on TV and told the Press, your Elders covered over a Pedophiles Sins! I have emailed him several times, I can't do this alone, it would help if some of you email the show too!

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Samuel Herd said we should preach wherever we are told to, even if there are bullets flying everywhere and dead bodies found in the territory.

by defender of truth in

this man's views are dangerous.

go to the link at the bottom of this post.

download fear of giants(ok).mp3.

BucketShopBill

It's easy to send the troops in to battle when your sitting at the Watchtower HQ enjoying soft-swirl ice-cream. Weird that the Bible tells of Paul the Apostle wanting to head in to the District of Asia but warned by the Holy Spirt "Don't go because it's too dangerous!". The Holy Spirit revealed to Paul and Barnabas "Step on over in to Macedonia and Help Us! They are evil leaders willing to allow their members to rot in jail for decades because they enjoy testing their subjects via the Theocratic Test-Tubes.

http://biblehub.com/acts/16-6.htm Read the theories on why the two Apostles were told to "Stay out of the District of Asia!' and you will understand how wicked Samuel Herd's words are!