Posts by BucketShopBill

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The "Preaching" Work As A Dead Parrot

by metatron in

jw
friends

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/dead_parrot_sketch.

inspired by a car salesman.

as with john cleese's apoplectic performance, there is never any admission that the "preaching" work, door to door in particular, is dead and has been for some time.

BucketShopBill

"Idle" or "Busy Work" is used to keep people from thinking, that's what this work is all about! How many JW Apologist are you aware of, how many are giving a "Question and Answer" program at Universities instead of a rusty table with Watchtowers and books sitting on their perch? The new Literature Carts are "dead Parrots", we know the preaching work as done by JWs is 80% ineffective if not higher, how do we know? According to Fred Franz and all the individuals he questioned while he was still at Bethel,he learned that most JWs come to the Watcthower via family, friends and co-workers. It's obvious to everyone who visit's this site the Watchtower is nothing more than a Ponzi Scheme to benefit the Top Dogs at Bethel. Rutherford was evil, he "lifted" the proceeds from hard-working Bible Students to live a life of luxury. When you were in their truth, would you have believed everything the Internet has brought forward on his life-style? I know it hurt when I read my first non-JW book on Cults, I returned it as fast as I could because it really hurt to realize I was in a Cult. Those doubts laid dormant until I saw how things really work, the corruption, the lies, Peter Principle and Ass Kissing was how people were appointed! The Governing Body know they have stolen life away from us but justify that "They are better people now than they were before!" ideas.

You buy something hoping to benefit greatly, because you researched it with great-great-great due diligence only to see it's now worth 50% of what you paid. Instead of selling it, Hope set's in and you wait and wait, you refuse to sell until it's worth 10% or 1% of the value. It happen's all the time, the Great Meltdown of 2000 "Dot.Com Bubble", the Real Estate Implosion, Subprime Debt. The Elite Professionals knew this was going to happen, it was unsustainable so they bought Credit Default Swaps, Sold Assets Short, Bought Put-Options and only a few who knew the inner workings of these products made a killing.

The Governing Body is not stupid, they know that people are afraid of admitting "I was wrong preaching for Fifty Years, or Ten years, ect.." The benefit of coming forward even if you realize it's a total lie is harsh because your friends and family might not be like you, these concepts are too painful and thought-consuming so they remain in a state of anxious-chosen Ignorance. What you are thinking is happening now, the kids younger than us are realizing this is a lie but refuse to stand up because they figure the Watchtower is the lessor of evils. There is some research that try's to get in to the minds of Cults and High-Group-Mind-Control like the "Millerites" who blindly followed this false prophet of the 1800s because there were reports of War, Earthquakes and the "usual suspects" of life that alerted "the elect", "chosen by God" to survive the Second Coming. Nobody learns, look at Harold Canby (American Preacher and False Prophet) who was deluded. Instead of learning from the Past and his own mistakes in 1995, he thought he was the "Faithful Slave" and Jesus revealed a secret code to his followers the "Chosen" (Dr. Canby believed in absolute Pre-Determinism, you were either going to Heaven or Hell and there is nothing you can do about it! Yet his message created fear because of the events during 9-11-2001) via the Bible. Miller, Russell, Rutherford, Canby all were False Prophets with lots of failed prophecy and these facts are readily available to all who wish to look. The problem is "Followers" are conditioned not to think, to disregard logic and reason because that shows faith!

The Watchtower and it's leaders have proven to be False Prophets and are now testing the limits of their powers in a declining religion by telling the Elders and Sheep "If you hear something come from the Podium that sounds illogical, you must obey without questions or thinking, Just Do it!". Ask yourself, how much heart-break and pain did your break-away cost, some have little to lose and others lose their entire World, it's how it works. No amount of "Forced Revelation" will ever make free-will agents do the right thing and the Watchtower is hoping they can keep this Con going on as long as they can. Notice how they don't have much growth with educated, able-body and healthy people, it's always people with lots of issues who long to end their pain the Watchtower attracts.

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Would You Convert to Islam to Avoid getting Your Head Chopped Off? Atheist to Polytheist, what say you?

by BucketShopBill in

would you convert to islam if they were holding your head on a ax block, ready to swing the ax or sword to cut your head off?

we know there are people who died for their political and spiritual values, would you convert to islam to avoid death?

for atheists, can you justify conversion to preserve life since there is no life after death?

BucketShopBill

Would you convert to Islam if they were holding your head on a Ax Block, ready to swing the Ax or Sword to cut your head off? We know there are people who died for their Political and Spiritual Values, would you convert to Islam to avoid Death? For Atheists, can you justify conversion to preserve life since there is no life after death? You must do all you can to avoid dying premature, would you Christians or Atheists stand up for your beliefs? Thanks, it's a honest question I was wondering if I had the moral fiber to no Disown Jesus Christ, if you are Agnostic or Atheist it's fair to postulate you have nothing to lose by conversion. What would you do?

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Samuel Herd said we should preach wherever we are told to, even if there are bullets flying everywhere and dead bodies found in the territory.

by defender of truth in

this man's views are dangerous.

go to the link at the bottom of this post.

download fear of giants(ok).mp3.

BucketShopBill

Dude, you are so smart! That hit me now, not the Bible but their literature that's now considered trash or Apostate! Thank's for helping me understand something new, thank you! JWs risked their life to bring in Watchtower Literature, not the Holy Bible, their Waffle Words.

D.C.M.S. wrote

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It reminds me of JWs during WWII who were imprisoned in Nazi conentration camps. They risked their lives as free people, and again as prisoners, to smuggle-not Bibles- but the Watchtower magazine. Their allegiance was to WT and its theology because it was "god's organization".

And look at what they risked freedom and life for: doctrines that were taught then as "absolute truth", so important to a JW they'd risk all for it, have largely been discarded as nonsense (old light) and are no longer relevant to JWs today, barely a blip in WT history. JWs paying with their lives for beliefs that weren't worth the paper they were written on.

Today: WT is still telling JWs to risk their lives to spread a message that no doubt will be trashed/modified/minimized as time goes by, and the message/doctrines JWs now feel is worth their lives to preach will be snickered at by future JWs as merely the silliness of WT's past as it "progressed".

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Circuit Overseer cutbacks?

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

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friends

it was announced at our meeting tonight that our co (who is actually a pretty good sort) and his wife have been reassigned as regular pioneers.

they are both relatively young (50s) and have been used extensively by the society recently.

as far as i know there are no personal issues.

BucketShopBill

It's called "Bumping" in the Business World, if your a reasonably young DO you can bump the C.O. in to the Special Pioneer work. It's fair, the D.O was there first and probably has more years of service.

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Will someone, please, stop ISIS?

by skeeter1 in

will anyone stop isis?by josh levs, cnnupdated 2:07 pm edt, thu august 7, 2014(cnn) -- if you're following the news about isis, which now calls itself the islamic state, you might think you've mistakenly clicked on a historical story about barbarians from millennia ago.. in a matter of months, the group seized territory in both iraq and syria and declared an islamic caliphate, celebrating its own shocking slaughter along the way.. "i don't see any attention from the rest of the world," a member of the yazidi minority in iraq told the new yorker.

"in one day, they killed more than two thousand yazidi in sinjar, and the whole world says, 'save gaza, save gaza.'".

in syria, the group hoisted some of its victims severed heads on poles.

BucketShopBill

Crofty, you saw that on Wolf Blizter too? I wonder what George W Bush think's, will his kids have to go to War if there is a WW3? The World need's Russia's help to exterminate ISIS, instead of picking on Russia for invading Ukraine, might the World be better off with Vlad on their side? ISIS is not going away, there is no incentive for them to stop. Iran, Saudia Arabia need to really reevaluate their views on ISIS, I think Iran would help the United States if we asked them to exterminate such a wicked group of humans. ISIS will not tolerate a king and royalty and will quickly overthrow Saudi Arabia if given the chance, these vermin have no morals or values, they will kill and throw their World back in the 1400s again!

"Might be a nice time for Jesus to step forward and help the Christians in the Middle East" I was thinking but history has had way far horrors than this, I don't know what the solution is!

Maybe this time (Fourth Time is a Charm!) if the Kurds fight they will be given their own homeland as promised by the UK, United States and others who used them for their dirty work.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Craig+Winn+interview+Islam

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JEHOVAH WITNESS PEDOPHILE COVER-UP ON CNN SUNDAY NIGHT! FREDRICK MCLEAN!

by BucketShopBill in

hi everyone, this has been what i have waited for, fredrick mclean is up next on cnn's "most wanted" and "hunted show", so far two of their topics are dead!.

last sunday's "the hunt" blew his head off monday morning!

let's hope cnn get's jehovah witness fredrick mclean!

BucketShopBill

The Episode featuring the most famous Jehovah's Witness Pedophile is set to air on Sunday August 10th 2014. We as a community need to start emailing John Walsh now! Why, because he does not know about the Watchtower's policy of "gag orders" to members hurt by Pedophiles. John Walsh does not know you can get Disfellowshiped because you went on TV and told the Press, your Elders covered over a Pedophiles Sins! I have emailed him several times, I can't do this alone, it would help if some of you email the show too!

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Samuel Herd said we should preach wherever we are told to, even if there are bullets flying everywhere and dead bodies found in the territory.

by defender of truth in

this man's views are dangerous.

go to the link at the bottom of this post.

download fear of giants(ok).mp3.

BucketShopBill

It's easy to send the troops in to battle when your sitting at the Watchtower HQ enjoying soft-swirl ice-cream. Weird that the Bible tells of Paul the Apostle wanting to head in to the District of Asia but warned by the Holy Spirt "Don't go because it's too dangerous!". The Holy Spirit revealed to Paul and Barnabas "Step on over in to Macedonia and Help Us! They are evil leaders willing to allow their members to rot in jail for decades because they enjoy testing their subjects via the Theocratic Test-Tubes.

http://biblehub.com/acts/16-6.htm Read the theories on why the two Apostles were told to "Stay out of the District of Asia!' and you will understand how wicked Samuel Herd's words are!

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The "Preaching" Work As A Dead Parrot

by metatron in

jw
friends

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/dead_parrot_sketch.

inspired by a car salesman.

as with john cleese's apoplectic performance, there is never any admission that the "preaching" work, door to door in particular, is dead and has been for some time.

BucketShopBill

Last time I checked the laws of Economics apply to rational players, not irrational or mentally ill players. There is no way to apply Gladwell's ideas out of his book "The Tipping Point" or John Nashes "Game Theory" with a Cult. You need to rethink your question because you are trying to put a square peg in a triangle shape or? What happened in 1914, 1917-1919, 1922-1925 and 1975 and 1984, 1994 when the End did not come? You think losing Seventy Plus percent of their group was the first wave of "Sudden Realization"?

Your using the wrong field of science and arts to attempt to figure out how High Group Mind Control works, try Psychology because as I said, Economics is used to see how rational players will react, not mentally ill or irrational people!

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Email CNN About Fredrick Mclean's Upcoming Appearance on "The Hunt" with John Walsh!

by BucketShopBill in

i am getting a nasty feeling john walsh is not going to mention the kingdom hall and the watchtower's scandalous conduct of covering up their hard working productive elder pedophiles!

the watchtower put more effort in protecting their pedophiles than helping victims of the crimes.

i know elders are instructed to call hq first because the watchtower needs to figure out how to avoid any responsibility and instruct the elders to avoid as much contact with victims while guiding the pedophile through his trials and dangers!

BucketShopBill

I am getting a nasty feeling John Walsh is not going to mention the Kingdom Hall and the Watchtower's Scandalous conduct of covering up their hard working productive Elder Pedophiles! The Watchtower put more effort in protecting their Pedophiles than helping victims of the crimes. I know Elders are instructed to call HQ first because the Watchtower needs to figure out how to avoid any responsibility and instruct the Elders to avoid as much contact with Victims while guiding the Pedophile through his trials and dangers! In Countries not required to report, they keep the Pedophile nice and snug if the Pedophile is a strong financial supporter of the Cause!

The Sheep are kept as stupid as possible, I saw a car-group with a well known Pedophile with his JW drinking buddies! How many honest JW Victims were told, "Jehovah Forgave the Pedophile, So should you!". Another grievance I have is the Watchtower assumes they can treat Pedophiles by flipping through the Shep-Book, properly gauging if a Pedophile is no longer a threat and should be Welcomed among his victims like Fredrick Mclean was! "We Love Pedophiles, We Offer a Pedophile Paradise", that's what the Watchtower's conduct shows because your not allowed to speak out against these freaks! What if a Pedophile who claims to only have molested "one or three children, what than?" if they cry enogh, some pedophiles are quickly told "No, No!" and put right back in the Congregation. The Spiritual Hammer is only reserved for people who ask questions about Watchtower Teachings and Doctrines, not child sexual predators! Pedophiles need the love you can only find in the Kingdom Halls with plenty of young children, JWs are conditioned to never "go to the Police because the Elders are trained better at handling these crimes"

JW Leadership is hoping people keep their ugly secret private because it deflects from The Message of Doom and the Door To Door Work their known for. Victims are told to "Shut your mouth, Wait on Jehovah", "Forgive and Forget because Jehovah Forgave the Pedophiles". I am done venting, you might wish to email John Walsh or CNN and explain the Watchtower is worse than the Catholic Church because the Watchtower refused to help any of their victims and often hinted they could get Disfellowshiped if they went to the Media, Ask Barbara!

"Speaking in the voice of America's Most Wanted's John Walsh): We've seen a lot of scumbags in our day, but this guy takes the cake. Frederick McLean is an alleged sexual predator of the lowest kind.

Authorities allege McLean met many of the child victims through his work as a local Jehovah's Witnesses leader in San Diego. At one point Riverside County authorities were also called to take care of this alleged monster. The 58-year-old is facing multiple counts of sexual assault on a child, with one victim claiming that McLean assaulted her more than 100 times starting when she was 5-years-old.

Federal authorities want McLean so bad they've put him the U.S. Marshals' national, 15 Most Wanted list. This poor excuse for a human being needs to be caught, because law enforcement sources believe this kind of suspect could strike again. "McLean possesses many of the factors correlated with reoffense," stated Michael Bourke, chief psychologist for the U.S. Marshals Sex Offender Investigations Branch. " ... Stress, including the stress that comes with being a fugitive, increases the risk for abusive acting out."

http://www.laweekly.com/informer/2009/12/29/socals-most-wanted-alleged-molester-frederick-mclean-still-on-the-run

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SoCal's Most Wanted: Alleged Molester Frederick McLean Still On The Run

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Bible Highlights(this week) : What is the bitter water that an adulteress had to drink in Numbers 5:24?

by raymond frantz in

in this week's bible highlights we read about the bizarre trial by ordeal that a woman had to undergo if she was under suspicion of adultery .in number 5:24 we read about this strange "bitter water" that she had to drink resulting if guildy to a sponteneous degeneration of her reproductive organs ,please read the rest of the article here for more clarification ,maybe you can use it this week during the bible highlights at the meeting.... what is the bitter water that a woman had to drink in numbers 5:24?.

BucketShopBill

Joe Franklin Rutherford, if only we could go back in time and ask him what Betty and Bonnie were like as "companions". Do you think he had physical relations with either woman and how did they justify it? Were they thinking Jehovah forgave any sins nut-ball Joe did? Did the Watchtower have "Indulgances" for upper rank JWs back in 1910-1980?