I have regularly heard that phrase since the 60s.
It was used as a cop-out frequently by lazy elders.
Balaamsass2
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Waiting On Jehovah First Mentioned?
by Ron.W. inyes, waiting on jehovah for him to handle a problem/ doctrine etc.. when did the jw's first start saying that?
they've been saying it as long as i can remember.. what scriptures do they trot out to back that teaching up?
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Is a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses marries a disfellowshipped person, what is the outcome?
by EdenOne inhello all.. i need a quick answer, and also a solid reference in the literature, please.. if a jw marries an unbeliever, there is reproof, it's frowned upon, it's disloyal, there will be loss of privileges, etc, but there's no other more serious consequences.
but, in a scenario where two people are free to marry, but one is a baptized jw and the other is disfellowshipped / disassociated, what are the consequences?.
thanks for your help.. r..
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Balaamsass2
If the JW was "active" they would lose all privileges at a minimum and be grilled about premarital sex/contact.
If the couple had moved and was inactive...and on the down low....perhaps nothing.
If they were in the same town and well known...probably be Disfellowshipped as a "warning" to everyone in the area.
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What you think consequences gonna be for watchtower if they lose the court appeal in Norway?
by Hellothere inpersonally i think they gonna realise god's not backing org.
that idea gonna get even more established in their minds.
i think the real selling of kingdom hall gonna start then.
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Balaamsass2
Norway is 27th in GDP ranking, so it isn't a big deal...but Watchtower hates to lose a case so they will appeal appeal appeal.
I agree with DOC:"
DesirousOfChange2 hours ago
If they lose I think they will seriously consider what action they need to take to "get their ducks in a row" and requality EVEN IF it means some New Light on shunning.
They found New Light on blood transfusions when Bulgaria refused legal recognition of the religion due to their policy of DFing if one accepted transfusion. Today, if anyone accepts a BT all they need do is profess "weakness" and repentance and they will not be DFd. But failure to do so results in "disassociation" by their actions.
Yes, it's word play, but WT will play the game."
I expect some changes to disfellowshipping especially for the under 18 crowd.
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When The 'Tower Is Mentioned In A Will
by NotFormer ini assume someone from wt attends the reading of the will.
an elder, a co, some especially selected person from the branch under whose purview this sort of thing is maintained?.
what is the procedure?.
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Elena2 minutes ago
This would never work Bal, watchtower are ruthless kicking out daughters from their dead mums homes to sell it."
:) It has been working well for three years. They had moved out of state, and Watchtower is still unaware she died. lol.
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When The 'Tower Is Mentioned In A Will
by NotFormer ini assume someone from wt attends the reading of the will.
an elder, a co, some especially selected person from the branch under whose purview this sort of thing is maintained?.
what is the procedure?.
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Balaamsass2
A smooth JW Elder (ex-stockbroker) in California flies around the country targeting affluent JWs with Watchtower schemes and scams to disinherit those "evil non-JW relatives and heirs".
Watchtower is getting more sophisticated and proactive in tying up future inheritances.
That "brother" has been rewarded handsomely.
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When The 'Tower Is Mentioned In A Will
by NotFormer ini assume someone from wt attends the reading of the will.
an elder, a co, some especially selected person from the branch under whose purview this sort of thing is maintained?.
what is the procedure?.
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Balaamsass2
I had a JW Aunt who left 1.5 million to Watchtower in real estate. Zero to any family members.
She died a couple of years ago. Since some distant family members had moved into her home to care for her the last few years...they simply kept living in the home and never made a sound to Watchtower. lol. :)
As long as they don't sell and pay the bills...they will never know.
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For the Disillusioned
by no-zombie ina problem for all who come to realize that our faith is just another manmade religion, is that we start questioning everything we've previously believed.
where ultimately its possible to spiral down past believing in the bible, to the point of questioning god's actual existence.however while some may be happy to think of themselves now as atheists or agnostics (which i doubt that most really are, as living with the full mental and emotional consequences of being one is a lot harder than most understand), i don't think it is necessary to abandon being a spiritual person.
while others might like the idea of drifting into a modern animistic philosophy (which rather conveniently excludes personal accountability), the keeping of the core teachings of jesus has historically proven to give many people a balanced and practical moral code to live by.but what is meant by the term: 'the core teachings of jesus'?interestingly many thinkers from the enlightenment period of the late 1700s, had similar a question.
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Balaamsass2
After 68 years of life, and being a JW for over 50 years, I have had to accept that I do not have to know everything.
I believe "god" has bigger things on his mind than me. Most modern religions are based on Abraham, a bronze-age goat herder. A guy who claimed a lot of things "god" told him secretly without any 3rd party verification, like he had to sacrifice his son for starters. Anyone doing that now would/should be hospitalized for mental illness.
Being a parent, and grandparent, and then seeing the first Hubble deep field photos (countless galaxies and solar systems), had a deep impact on my beliefs. I wish only good things for my family, I have never knowingly allowed them to be harmed, however, I do not/can not protect them from every bad experience.
Watchtower and most Bronze Age religions painted "God" as a petty mean mean-spirited entity... the same one ISIS radicals worship. Acceptance of these things has been freeing. My 2 cents.
https://science.nasa.gov/mission/hubble/science/universe-uncovered/hubble-deep-fields/
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The Next Big Thing In WT World
by NotFormer inthings got a bit lively after the agm leaks in october.
there was a lot of discussion going on on this board for a few months.
now that all the leaks have been more or less confirmed as policy, and we've had lively discussions at length concerning the changes, things seem to have slowed down here.. a few suggestions have been raised as to what might be the next changes, such as women being allowed to wear slacks (in the usa, anyway), decoupling from 1914 as an anchoring date and others.. so, what changes do you think will be announced this year?.
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Balaamsass2
It's all about the bucks $$$$$$$$. When I was at Bethel they knew what a Bethelite cost in allowance, daily food intake, and even electricity ( no window AC units for young Bethelites because of kilowatt costs). They would buy a machine if a machine cost less than x number of Bethelites.
So what changes would improve the bottom line?? $$$
1. Fewer lawsuits and government investigations. Get out of the Cop business. Limit liabilities. Have publishers report all crimes to authorities. Keep the window-washing elders out of the loop. Kinder treatment of under 18 "minors". Less physical abuse. Less baptism pressure. Kinder judicial treatment. More hands-off and distance on the blood issue and "apostasy" issues.
2. Increase publisher comfort at meetings to improve attendance, (and traffic past the donation box). Loosen attire "rules" Slacks for women—sport coats for speakers. Knorr insisted on "business attire". Business attire has changed over the years. Look at how women dress around the world now in business and politics.
3. Additional income generation. Tithing-lite? internet "use fees" to offset provider costs? I pay Microsoft $7 a month for software and the Times $4 a month for my newspaper.
4. Additional roles in the hall for women. Accounts? Talk schedules? Shepherding calls-light for the elderly and infirm? (it would generate income -donations and improve self-worth).
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Balaamsass2
lol, Syd. Ewart Chitty bang bang...I still can't forget that gem. His scrawny old body in his itty bitty thong. Enough to burn a hole into your eyes. Gaggggg !!!
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Balaamsass2
Yes, the photos do trigger memories.
Missing. Ray Franz - A very sincere guy who always asked questions about; "the friends outside", preaching effectiveness, blood fractions, and Bethel butchering practices. A hospitable human who had small spaghetti dinners in his apartment with rank-and-file Bethelites.
E. Chiity, who hung out on the Squib building roof in a throng working on his suntan. Asking passing Bethel boys to rub suntan oil on his butt. lol. :) (I declined).
"Cranky ass" Jaracz. Booming orders.... unless he was asking for money. He never returned Mom's 5 figure loan.
Dan Sydlick. Another cranky ass. Neighbor and table head. Always asking questions, and puzzled when he got an unvarnished reply. lol.