i know this question has been discussed, but i can't find the topic i was just looking at, so.... one thing about this is that the other posters here didn't mention, that i noticed anyway, that there was this member of the gb in the 40s and early 50s (but possibly during rutherford) who was at odds with rutherford or knorr, and they wanted to do away with them, so they accused (falsely) that person, then they declared that the punishment for that sin was something they invented, or at least once iteration of, what we know as the modern disfellowshipping practice among jws.. so, that is why they invented that doctrine; they.
When Rutherford grabbed the reigns of Watchtower upon Russel's death he kicked scads of Bethelites and others to the curb, accusing anyone who wouldn't accept him, as an "Apostate". Effectively "Disfellowshipping" them 1916-17.
Both 3rd gen's mom and mine told stories of wild stuff going on in the 1940s by even the Circuit Overseers that instituted the formal policies in the beginning of the 1950s by Knorr (1952?).
regarding the poster from jw headquarters, who claimed that the gb would eventually loosen the rules regarding sex.
the question is, is there really a bible rule explicitly prohibiting sex without marriage?
because this would be the only possible reason why loosening those rules would even come up in a discussion.
So if GB 3.0 is trying to add/retrieve more donating members...
Will they- gb 3.0 be tossing the 1972 (ish) Ray Franz research on "porneia"?
Returning to the 1960s view of "petting" vs "heavy petting"?
More tolerant of Gays and NPGs...non-practicing gays(trying at least)? As in pre-1975 ish Bethel and GB 1.0 (Chitty, etc)?
There does seem to be a trend.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/06/23/5-key-findings-about-lgbtq-americans/
as there has been some discussion calling bs on this topic, .
i will paste the text from my 10 year plan post and i will critically evaluate how i feel things will turn out.
i will add bold italics my thoughts.. the governing body has a 10-year marketing plan to remodel the organization to become closer to a mainstream christian religion.
Will they- gb 3.0 be tossing the 1972 (ish) Ray Franz research on "porneia"?
Returning to the 1960s view of "petting" vs "heavy petting"?
More tolerant of Gays? As in pre-1975sBethel and GB 1.0?
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/06/23/5-key-findings-about-lgbtq-americans/
but i wonder: how many jw's went to prison during the years that the wt did not allow them to perform community service as an alternative to military service?.
anyone care to take a stab at the numbers?.
The wife and I both have Uncles who were jailed for refusing alternative service or the military.
Both men were quiet introverts who the prison experience and rapes broke. Both were forever felons who suffered financially for a lifetime.
Just another case of "holy spirit" confusion.
hi becky:.
atlantis, do you have the brumley, united nations letters?.
https://pdfupload.io/docs/7af4190f .
Thanks!
I enjoy seeing actual hard copy letters.
The evolution of Letterheads and salutations is interesting.
i am not a jw, nor have i ever been.
i'm an apostolic pentecostal.
i do have an older half-brother who is about 13 years my senior.
I second the opinion of "beating him with his bible" bury the beating in a nice card with a nice memory. :) Shame is a powerful emotion. :)
regarding the poster from jw headquarters, who claimed that the gb would eventually loosen the rules regarding sex.
the question is, is there really a bible rule explicitly prohibiting sex without marriage?
because this would be the only possible reason why loosening those rules would even come up in a discussion.
Well, in the Christian Greek scriptures, it specifies "Servants were to be husbands of only one wife". So.... if you have multiple wives...no position for you. :)
So if the Elders want to appoint someone, it is a no-go if he is a fundamental Morman I guess.....
there’s a term in the corporate / business world known as blue ocean strategy.
the basic gist of it is to stop wasting time in your small, dwindling pool of current customers when there’s a wide open ocean of untapped customers out there.
to achieve this leap is to adapt or transition to a more appealing package of your current business model to attract the masses.
As far as a strange guy with a beard and cigar...I don't doubt it. I saw some strange characters. Usually JW relatives offering Watchtower something free or at a great discount. Donations are always welcomed at Bethel.
i found this while googling.
i thought elders and/or high rankers don't get paid.
is there something i don't know?
In the 70s I took a massive pay cut to go to Bethel. Glad I had savings.
My Bethel pay per month was what I got PER HOUR on the outside.
My travel allowance was exact subway costs for 3 RT fares per week.
Way below minimum wage and a shared bedroom.
It appeared the medical doctors and a few specialists had greater incomes though, because they supported families.
while having my first strong black coffee of the day, i was thinking about what may be to come next as the org.
rapidly goes mainstream, and this is what i came up with :.
1) they will introduce for sunday, the after meeting fellowship, a time for just chatting but with the added bonus of coffee and snacks.
As a kid, I enjoyed the picnics and ball games of the 60s and 70s.
I always had snacks and popcorn after the book study I conducted or held at my home.
Jaraczes clampdown during the Ray Franz paranoia hurt the organization.
The fastest-growing Pentecostal mega church in our area has a coffee/pastry bar after services at the entry and outside under an awning. It seems to be profitable and popular. They have grown from a few hundred to 11,000 members.
Hard to predict just what flip-flop WTB&Ts will do next.
They should eliminate child baptism. No modern country allows minors to enter into a contract. Get rid of the "blood card" in all its forms for minors.
Stop allowing elders to stick their noses into police matters, and criminal investigations...especially child abuse.
I expect they will look for new revenue sources, perhaps a streaming subscription fee....like Netflix. They constantly infer Jehovah is bad with money and needs more. :
