1 Timothy 5:8 - Providing for one's household....materially or spiritually?

by cappytan in

the searcher brought this scripture up on another thread:.

(1 timothy 5:8) "certainly if anyone does not provide for those who are his own, and especially for those who are members of his household, he has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith.

" [disowned jehovah].

sowhatnow

Ive always hear it applied as spiritual, personally I apply it to the physical,

however how is it read in the new international bible, see below.

1 Timothy 5:8

8 Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

and what is the context, i read parallel of this at bible gateway, the whole chapter speaks of widows elders and slaves....

[having slaves, was Never spoken of against in the bible. as is the obvious attitude of unworthiness for the rights and feelings of women is this still observed today? apparently in many cultures]

it also points out in vs
19 Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses.

so

the two and three witness rule is spoken of as only applying to the elders,[ so THATS why they can get away with child abuse.]

king james version says at vs 11-12

11 But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry;

12 Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.. [gee was their 'first faith' their husbands law?'

so

women are damned if they wish to remarry. lol, stupid ass men back then really ruined it for themselves huh?

[what the hell does wax wanton mean, lol!] silly old book.

Id say, clearly this is a book written for the chosen ones of Israel and did not apply to the gentile nations.

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JW's - lack of knowledge of their own beliefs

by Illuminated in

why are so many jehovah's witnesses unaware of their own beliefs.

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i would imagine the repetitive meetings, studies and door to door knocking would firmly root them in their beliefs.. yet, i've observed they either back out of challenging questions at times, or share a link to jay w org.. .

sowhatnow

no one has time.

the org likes to keep you so busy you dont even 'know' your own congregation.

the magazines give you all the 'answers' no one cares if they make sense.

see,.... wt quote

But in Jehovah’s organization it is not necessary to spend a lot of time and energy in research, for there are brothers in the organization who are assigned to that very thing, to help you who do not have so much time for this, these preparing the good material in The Watchtower and other publications of the Society.”
— Watchtower, The Watchtower, June 1, 1967, page 338

when we finally do have time, and use a real bible, we study ourselves right to the real 'truth'

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WT for March 15, 2015: “Consider the context”

by Doug Mason in

my study on the watchtower magazine for march 15, 2015 is available at:.

http://www.jwstudies.com/the_watchtower_and_the_contexts_of_jesus__stories.pdf.

this watchtower presents jesus stories at matthew 25: the ten virgins; the talents; and the final judgment (sheep and goats).

sowhatnow

i read that first study lesson. and the second,

i got a headache, and a few chuckles. simple? until they say in par 10, its puzzling. lol

i believe according to allllll the context in every case,

Jesus was applying everything to his 12 [11] apostles , period. after Jesus spoke to them in acts 1

they disappeared from the scene accept for peter, once, i believe.

why because they were separate sect from what paul was starting.

just my take.

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Need advice on a comeback to my wife: when she is in cult mode she says faith without works is dead.

by goingthruthemotions in

so i have gotten into arguements with my wife in the past about this cult.

now a days after reading steve hassan books...i just try and avoid anything jdub with her.

try to keep her in authentic mode..(not sure she really has one).

sowhatnow

my mom gets me with that all the time! omg.

I doubt seriously, that those 'works' spoken of in scripture, are not the same that jws refer to obviously. so,

i try to explain it to her this way

what we do personally , to give a good example to everyone we know or meet that will give them a favorable view of us, in the end, results in a favorable view of the god who produces persons with such good works .

it has no boundary to a named faith, its not about religious works, which usually are done for the reason of getting noticed, which were spoken of in the scriptures as not having meaning. let your right hand not know what your left is doing ect ect.

all people of all walks of life do 'good' works, otherwise none of us would be here.

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how to change password and delete old pm's

by sowhatnow in

title pretty self explanatory.. all thats at the top of the page is my screen name message alert sign out then the search.. when i go to my screen name for settings there is nothing there to change password just change the avatar.. we also should have the easy option of deleting our account [ and every post we made, totally if we need to].. advice?.

sowhatnow

ok ill wait then thanks

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Jehovah's Witnesses recover best from surgery, despite refusing blood.

by nicolaou in

that's' the headline of an article in the sydney morning herald.

my jw family are sharing it with glee on facebook right now.

here's the link; .

sowhatnow

i tell a dr i prefer none, accept salvage, but if ever id need serious surgery where i might need blood, id donate my own so its there. if im bleeding to death in an accident, idc whose it is. but if im that messed up, i dont want to go on living.

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how to change password and delete old pm's

by sowhatnow in

title pretty self explanatory.. all thats at the top of the page is my screen name message alert sign out then the search.. when i go to my screen name for settings there is nothing there to change password just change the avatar.. we also should have the easy option of deleting our account [ and every post we made, totally if we need to].. advice?.

sowhatnow

title pretty self explanatory.

all thats at the top of the page is my screen name message alert sign out then the search.

when i go to my screen name for settings there is nothing there to change password just change the avatar.

we also should have the easy option of deleting our account [ and every post we made, totally if we need to].

advice?

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anyone want 2013 wt library cd? or old books?

by sowhatnow in

my mom brought me a bag of literiture that her khall was going to throw away.

apparently they are not 'placeable' anymore, hmmm.. she cant stand to see those books tossed out like 'garbage' so here i go, .

in ths bad was 5 brand new in the plastic wt 2013 library cds.

sowhatnow

crazy guy ill try to remember that

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Meaningful Study

by Awake at last in

i never thought i would be commenting, let alone starting a new topic in the category of bible research and study.

anyone reading my comments on this site would have realised that i am the most unspiritual person to have ever stepped foot inside a kh.

yet for the first time in my life, on saturday night, i did some meaningful bible study/research, on my own without a wtbts publication in sight, except the nwt bible.

sowhatnow

this morning i sat and dissected the march 2015 study issue, first and second lessons, and found several contradictory ideas, several scriptures that did not apply to the paragraph, and basically they confused everyone more with their new 'simplified ' understanding of yet again , back by popular demand,

the faithful slave.

apparently the faithful slave is now , more important? over the anointed. ?

well call me a dumb ass but thats what i got out of it.

and after circling all the words like, apparently, we understand, obviously, we may conclude, likely, evidently it may be, we may, ect

and then the contrary statement on page 14 in paragraph 10

'perhaps the most puzzling part....'

well, hey , wait you said it was simple!

and if that wasn't enough, questions from readers was well, puzzling, lol

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anyone want 2013 wt library cd? or old books?

by sowhatnow in

my mom brought me a bag of literiture that her khall was going to throw away.

apparently they are not 'placeable' anymore, hmmm.. she cant stand to see those books tossed out like 'garbage' so here i go, .

in ths bad was 5 brand new in the plastic wt 2013 library cds.

sowhatnow

ok books are getting tossed in the attic, crazyguy ill try to remember that.

sowhatnow

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