Posts by sowhatnow

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June 2016 WT (study edition) Bashing Higher Education....AGAIN!

by ToesUp in

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friends

paragraph 14: .

"this means that we need to examine our heart constantly to see if it is being enticed by worldly entertainment, associations, and styles of dress and grooming.

or the love of the world might involve efforts to attain “great things,” such as through the pursuit of higher education.

Trying To Leave - Im Going Crazy

by pale.emperor in

this is my first post.

i really feel i need to leave the jw's rather than go along pretending everything is perfect etc.

no friends, me at work.

sowhatnow

just when were starting to feel bad about our own situation, wham someone shakes us out of it,

good heavens, anyone have a place for them to run away to? lol,

Id sooo move far away from that whole area. soon before they get hold of my child.

poor you, wish we could give you a new life someplace to start over. i cant imagine the stress you have.

I hear reassignment.... ?

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New Watchtower Propaganda and hate speech destroying families (Feb 2016 WT)

by Daniel1555 in

the following is a paragraph from the new february study watchtower article "learn from jehovah's loyal servants.".

7 a conflict of loyalties may arise when a close relative is disfellowshipped.

for example, a sister named anne [1] received a telephone call from her disfellowshipped mother.

so this seems a good reason to not get baptized, or allow your kids to get baptized. your not supposed to be DF if your not Baptized, and then you can get away with contact more easily depending on the mentality of those involved of course. elders DF me, an unbaptized 18 yr old non publisher, who hadn't been to a meeting in over 2 years, somehow they used the logic that simply if I said I was a JW to anyone, that made me responsible as any Baptized jw. my mom flipped out on them, because I was pregnant, had no where to go, had no car, and no job. I needed my family.

she had to help me out , or id end up on the street. they told her she should toss me out of the house! she said 'how is that loving? when she needs my help the most Im supposed to throw her on the street with my grandchild?' lol, short moment of common sense there,

fortunately, my father was not a jw, and she used him as the reason she wouldn't do that, because as her 'headship', [she used that headship card when it fit her needs , lol] its his call. and so she went to the , C.o, and D.O. and told him them the whole story, and then when the C.O visited he recommended to the elders that reinstate me. but not after months of faking it,lol. and making sure i was at every meeting, and repentant, lol. what a crock of crap that was. she till this day knows how that shit went down, yet still defends this crap.

oh dear I wonder if were going to get into that when i go see her..........

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Who has made an unforgivable sin against the holy spirit?

by atomant in

we all sin and some sins are worse than others but blasphemy against the holy spirit is said to be unforgivable.what is considered to be an unforgivable sin?

sowhatnow

ask Mr Owl....

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Coming to terms with the Watchtower experience

by Lee Elder in

it is a challenge coming to terms with your experience as a jehovah's witness.

if you were born and raised as a jw, and your parents were true believers, the impact on your life is profound, lasting, and largely negative.

in some cases quite abusive emotionally, spiritually, financially, educationally and yes, even sexually.. i recently watched "trumbo", and was quite moved by dalton trumbo's speech to the screen writers guild in 1970. here is an excerpt that i think is quite relevant to this topic:.

sowhatnow

So, can we single out the Wt as THE cause for so many pointless and damaged lives? yes .

if not for the damaging brain altering doctrines, guiding us to our stagnant pointless lives, how many of us would be in a much better place right now?

i for one, would not be in the predicament I am today.

there may be those rare cases where a person was on the road to addiction and poverty, and a kind jw person to take on the assignment, and was encouraged to 'clean themselves up'. yes, simply another 'project', but maybe slightly good TEMPORARILY, for that particular case. but Im sure other faiths have done the same. so they trade one problem for another one.

its like anything, once its been burned into your brain, its never gone, the scars are always there screwing up your life and thinking somehow.

like any cancer, you never can kill it all of, it'll lay dormant until something sets it off.

and like any addiction, you cant just stop thinking like you've always been trained to think. at some point we all default for a reason to the christian way of thinking. for me its the guilt and feeling of being sleazy and naive I feel when Im on a date. really is hard to get past those silly feelings of inadequacy. or the feeling that its my own fault, and Im being punished for finally leaving my husband.

even if you know the bible to be a man made silly history book or sorts. its still a mental prison.

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How many fence sitters are really out there?

by atomant in

l think the real figure would be a real nail in the coffin for jw believers.lf the elders knew what l knew they would have a field day.many many jdubs live a double life.lovey dovey at the hall and totally different people at home and work.my guess is many dubs are schizophrenic and in need of help.with all the brain washing lm not surprised.what have others observed.

?

sowhatnow

everyone in my opinion lives a double life.

they'd be liars to say they have not thought something was not right.

we all know what goes on behind the scene of the sterilized kingdum hall scene.

my mom thinks shes the best jw, but in reality shes made some huge missteps in her life.

and she still breaks the speed limit.... lol

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My mother has nervous breakdown because we missed the memorial.

by cookiemaster in

my parents insisted that i'd take them to the memorial.

my cousin said he'd come too and another brother who doesn't have a car begged to join.

i was dreading having to go through exactly the same thing again.

sowhatnow

what god does she worship who would be angry for missing a gathering in such dangerous weather possibly getting killed, when she could have listened in on a phone tie in someplace else if she wanted to?

does she know what it means to be forgiving and yielding and compassionate? would she expect her family to condemn someone for missing her funeral if there was an ice storm?

i dont think so, so that would make her better than god.

there is not one scripture in that book that says people have to go to a church on a certain day.

it does say

as often as you drink it......... no time or limit.

there is no scriptures that say anyone other than the 11 apostles had to do that.

not a one that can find.

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My jw friend keeps preaching to me in e-mails

by Queenme in

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friends

dear friends this is my first time posting.

i am not a jw and have never been one but i have a friend who married a jw and converted.

in spite of the bunk barometer going off in my brain over the years and never responding to her efforts to convert me, she just cannot stop preaching.

sowhatnow

tell her the bible says not to

cast pearls before a swine, lol

i do believe that years ago the counsel at meetings was to not continue to preach to persons who are not responding to that message, for it is a waste of time . then of course it changed.

my own mom cant stop dragging me into a conversation every time i see her.[ though i was a jw slave for 30 years...... but she knows by now im a lost cause but she will not give up because in her mind im as good as dead if i dont turn around...]

and so your friend now is using the advice later given, keep trying.

that if they keep dropping little tidbits of info, that some day, something might spark your interest... and then all the work will have been worth it. because you cant give up on people.

only people who don't agree after they do agree.... change their minds... whatever.

lol contradictory? um yea..

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I am a bit screwed ... need some advice - non-JW issue

by StarTrekAngel in

so i am having a bit of an issue at work and has been bothering me for a while.

first, you may need to know a bit about the organizational structure that i am dealing with.

there is our coo (chief op officer).

sowhatnow

good gravy. what people have to put up with for a freaking paycheck.

no matter what your probably going to take the blame for something in the end.

your damned if you do and damned if you don't.

[call a meeting with all involved and blast them all?]

short of looking for a less stressful job...

can you be reassigned away from that whole bunch of drama?

its like high school all over again. lol

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My New Thoughts on Adam and Eve (don't laugh)

by xjwsrock in

warning for those that are still believers... this train of thought will not be faith strengthening.... i have come a long way since first stumbling on crumbs of ttatt in 2012.

(i have not come nearly as far with the wife unfortunately, but such is life.

) my critical thinking ability, thankfully, is in another stratosphere since figuring out i was a jw lab rat.

sowhatnow

short answer,

its a pretty chopped up story by ancient people trying to explain how we got here and why things went so 'wrong'

my guess

they were among some aliens that were dropped off or crash landed here. so were aliens, we dont belong here and we've ruined so much of the earth.

long answer.

Adam was made in gods image. so as an 'adult' he was like all the other angelic spirit creatures that were created by jesus.[1 colossians 1 16]

[yes, by jesus, since the bible says all things were made through him and by him. he was the first of all creation. so he had to be here before anything else.]

he had to have known[been pre- programed] everything adult as to survive on a new planet he knew nothing about.

Adam and eve had not been along in the garden. they often heard god walking about. and there must have been others among them,

why i think Adam and eve were not alone, and had children in the garden. [why put man in a garden like a prisoner?]

ask yourself,

how did Eve know what it would be like to have increased birth pains, is she never experienced any in the first place?

how would they know what death was if they never saw it to fear it?

why would they fear death unless they has experienced something dying.

how did they know what bad was if there was no bad created ?

lol god had to have created bad to have it to be done.

I could never get past genesis. two separate stories , lots of weird questions.

really doesn't matter to us , wont change a darn thing for anyone.