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  Is the Earth really that great?

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i enjoy watching nature documentaries; david attenborough being my favorite host and narrator.

  that being said, i’ve come to the conclusion that contrary to xianity’s teaching, the earth is not “perfectly placed/designed for life.” .

  when you actually observe the world at large, without blinders, it’s a wonder that life even exists.

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  That's an excellent view, I've not thought of it before but yes the earth is a battlefield and a difficult hard place to survive
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  Go Bags, Safe houses and cartoon of two kids.

  by scruffmcbuff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been out a good 10+ years and until recently didnt pay much attention to what the jehovahs are up to.. why have they taken this turn with the bunker videos and making all the brainwashed people like my parents pack a go bag.

  now let me just clarify.

  im a military man i believe everyone should have an element of preparedness canned goods,bottled water and a bug out bag is a great addition ( ill stop waffling on about that now).. but what concerns me is the fact they are advising elderly people to bug out.

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  I think the whole go bag thing is so stupid, most of these bags I've seen couldn't be carried by an elderly disabled jw!

  And the question I ask is "where would you go?" Basements maybe common in America but they're not in Europe. I'm often told "the gb would ask us to go to the kingdom hall" would they? Really? If the authority's were looking for jws the first place they would look would be the kingdom hall !! And the second place they would look? The houses of the congregation leaders! So stupid and ill thought out!
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  How many child molesters do you personally know of in the J.W's?

  by karter in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  were are they now and what position are they in.. lets do a running count.. c.o.b.e was interfering with his daughter,d.f,reinstated died in good standing.. branch oveersear multiple young children d.f,reinstated in good standing.. publisher interfeared with small child in the k.h d.f not sure were he is.. publisher sexually abused 3 relatives no action taken in good standing.. current elder raped his sister years ago little action taken was not an elder at the time.. publisher sexualy abused young girl d.f,reinstater now in good standing.. m.s multiple young girls d.f,died trying to get reinstated.. so thats 7.. karter..

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  I know of two, one a pioneer who abused a girl for years, when she exposed him as a teenager the elders df'd him AND HER! Not reported to the police the abuser got reinstated and moved area, joined another congregation where he abused another girl, the girls father beat him up when he discovered it and the elders df'd THE FATHER! The abuser was last heard of having married a woman with a teenager (shudder)

  Another was a father who abused sexually his two daughters and beat up his wife. When his wife ran with her daughters and was taken in by a kindly jw family the elders counseled that family and told the wife to go back to her husband! She dutifully did and the abuse continued, the wife went to the police and they arrested the husband and charged him. He went to prison but the elders did their own JC on the husband and decided that the testimony of the two daughters counted as one witness only, and therefore decided that the husband was innocent they even went to The police with their decision! Not that the police took any notice! The wife and daughters were then shunned in the congregation for making false accusations against the husband and having him sent to prison (!) They were even pressured to make a statement in court saying that they forgave him, they refused but it was the elders hope that it would reduce the sentence of the husband if they had!...... years later when the husband was released the elders welcomed him back... into the same congregation as his family! And soon he was back as an elder!
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  Questions for elders to think about in child abuse cases

  by purrpurr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  again from the shepard the flock book, this is about dealing with child abuse, it gives the elders points to think about and discuss when deciding on child abuse cases.... "(5) what is the.

  body believe that he can be trusted with children?

  the following questions should be answered with re-.

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  Again from the Shepard the flock book, this is about dealing with child abuse, it gives the elders points to think about and discuss when deciding on child abuse cases...

  "(5) What is the

  level of his spirituality? (6) Do all the elders on the

  body believe that he can be trusted with children? The following questions should be answered with re-

  gard to the accuser: (1) What is the level of maturity

  of the child or youth? (2) Is he (or she) describing

  conduct that one his age would not normally know

  about? (3) Is the child or his parents known to be se-

  rious, mature? (4) Is his memory consistent, or is it

  intermittent, or does it involve repressed memories?

  (w95 11/1 pp. 25-26) (5) What is the reputation of

  the parents? (6) Are they spiritually and emotionally

  mature?"

  What does the "spirituality" of a child have to do with whether they can be believed? What does their "maturity" or "seriousness " have to do with anything? What does the reputation or spiritually of the parents have any bearing on what happened to the child??

  This basically means that a young child from a family not in favour with the elders would not be be lived. And an abuser who is in favour with the elders would be believed!
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  The JC won't tell the wife about her husband's adultery

  by purrpurr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  still reading the shepard the flock book and came across this gem (!)....

  "13. if the husband committed adultery, he.

  judicial committee should promptly inquire of the.

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  Still reading the Shepard the flock book and came across this gem (!)...

  "13. If the husband committed adultery, he

  has an obligation to inform his wife of the facts. The

  judicial committee should promptly inquire of the

  Christian wife as to what her husband has told her. If

  he refuses to inform her of his adultery, the elders

  should inform her that because of her husband’s

  conduct, it is up to her to decide whether to pursue a

  Scriptural divorce or not. Furthermore, they should

  inform the innocent mate that her resuming sexu-

  al relations with the guilty mate would negate any

  claim to Scriptural freedom. But they should not give

  her further details. On the other hand, the elders

  may find that while the husband did confess adultery

  to his wife, he did not tell her the full extent of his

  wrong conduct and left out important information

  that the wife should know. The elders should not pro-

  vide this confidential information to the wife, but

  they can suggest that she speak with her husband

  again. Even if he does not tell her anything more, this

  will alert her to the fact that he is withholding infor-

  mation from her, and this may help her to determine

  whether to forgive or not.

  ... so the wife doesn't have to be told! But the elders can hint if they want big deal!
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  Direction to elders on handling rape

  by purrpurr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  from the shepard the flock book.

  "discernment is needed in considering claims.

  of rape, taking into consideration such factors as the.

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  From the Shepard the flock book.

  "Discernment is needed in considering claims

  of rape, taking into consideration such factors as the

  mental disposition of the person, the circumstanc-

  es that led up to the incident, and any delay in reporting"

  Chapter 5 page 59

  What exactly are they implying here? are they implying that someone who has mental health problems might make up rape? That someone could incite rape by their dress etc? And what's this about delay in reporting? what on earth does that have to do with anything??!
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  Direction to elders on handling rape

  by purrpurr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  from the shepard the flock book.... "discernment is needed in considering claims.

  of rape, taking into consideration such factors as the.

  mental disposition of the person, the circumstanc-.

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  purrpurr

  From the Shepard the flock book...

  "Discernment is needed in considering claims

  of rape, taking into consideration such factors as the

  mental disposition of the person, the circumstanc-

  es that led up to the incident, and any delay in reporting "

  Chapter 5 psge 59

  What exactly are they implying here? That someone with mental health problems might make up claims of rape? That they may have incited it by their dress etc? And what's this about delay in reporting? What on earth does that have to do with anything??!
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  No new releases? How are the r&f taking this?

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  is it true that there's been no new releases at this summer's convention?

  if so it will be the first convention in decades perhaps ever to not produce at least a new tract.. how are the r&f explaining this to eachother?

  surely they must have noticed the absence?

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  purrpurr

  Is it true that there's been no new releases at this summer's convention? If so it will be the first convention in decades perhaps ever to not produce at least a new tract.

  How are the r&f explaining this to eachother? Surely they must have noticed the absence?

  Of course we know the answer is likely to be that they can't afford the printing bill or maybe they've finally run out of new things to say?
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  How could I get a copy of the elders secret book?

  by purrpurr in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the shepherding the flock one?

  i'd love to read it and get the inside track of how the elders are meant to work.

  anyone got a pdf?

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  The shepherding the flock one? I'd love to read it and get the inside track of how the elders are meant to work.

  Anyone got a PDF?
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  Cotton wool jws

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  there was a talk i heard recently given by a top bethel bro, he was complaining that the type of young jws that have been joining bethel in recent years has been totally unfit for work or even life.

  he called them "cotton wool jws" as he says that the parents of these young ones have kept them so sheltered from life that by the time they are of age to strike out on their own they are completely unable to cope socially, emotionally, mentally and that they have no practical life's skills or instincts of common sense or responsibility.

  he said that the brothers at bethel have to work at peeling off the layers of cotton wool these ones have come wrapped in and that often when exposed to the reality of life away from mummy they quite literally go running back home.. for once i actually agree with a brother on the platform, i've met many a young teen or young adult whose life has been one long warm bath as it were.

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  Yes I've met brothers in their 40s who are of this type, although I think they were the first generation like it. Simpering empty headed mummies boys who were incapable of forming an independent thought or opinion. In their family and congregation they were praised for being "respectful and sheep like" but in the real world utterly unable to function. Most of them ended up working for the family business or some such jw owned business. When they did have an experience were a worldly person wanted them to behave like a normal adult they always freaked out and went running back to mummy who of course soothed them and told them that it was all the fault of the bad worldly person!

  I agree, several lifetimes of repression, isolation and warped ideals have created this issue. The WT have brought it on themselves, they are reaping their reward in full!