Posts by SAHS

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Does The Governing Body Believe Their Own Lies? Are They Deliberate Liars? Are They Using the Common Human Trait Of Self-Deception

by frankiespeakin in

when we awaken from the indoctrinated coma of the watchtower corporation and starts to see all the lies and half truths one naturally wonders: does the governing body really believe all the stuff that they have printed in their publication?

are they so indoctrinated that they too are victims of the falsehood that the watchtower prints?

and now with the grandeous claims that the governing body a lone are the faithful and discreet slave of god doing his will do they really beleive such grandeous bullshit?

SAHS

“Laika”: “I agree with bluesbrother, you can believe something is true and still lie in support of your belief.”

Depends in what context a person can “lie” – relative to themselves or to others.

If (theoretically, of course) I honestly and completely believe that I am from the planet “Poopiepants,” and I tell you that I am from the planet Poopiepants, then technically I’m not really “lying” in the classic sense of lying. Even though it’s not actually and literally true that I’m from the planet Poopiepants, if I consciously believe that I am, then I’m not “lying” to you as far as myself is concerned, because I’m not consciously lying to myself. (Don’t bother looking for “Poopiepants” on Wikipedia – I made it up.) If I actually believe that I’m from the planet Poopiepants, due to some enigmatic pathological condition, then theoretically I could successfully pass a lie detector test. (Or at least the classical type of lie detector test. I’m not so sure about the electronic real-time observational techniques used directly on the brain, such as the magnetic resonance imaging type – or is it the single photon emission tomography thing. Something like that. I’m not sure.)

There’s the example of the alcoholic who, during his lucid, rational phase, says that he has firmly decided, just on his own willpower, to never drink again. Apparently such a person could at that moment actually pass a classic lie detector test, because he literally and absolutely believes his own convictions. But by his eventual and predictable relapse, he will end up betraying his own tangible and literal perception of reality as to the development of his future course of action which he was so absolutely sure of at the present moment. Thus, such an alcoholic keeps literally and honestly betraying himself.

“frankiespeakin”:

“These guys on the Governing Body . . . because they have to activate the mental defence mechanism of deception they force themselves to believe their bullshit because if they don't they know they will get found out by the other guys on the GB, so they all put on a show for each other in proving their loyalty to the cause . . .”

Good observation. This really reminds me of those border guards along North Korea’s demilitarized zone. They are arranged in pairs who must stand facing each other. The reason for this is that if one of those guards starts to have any ideas about defecting and making a run for it, his partner facing him will quickly be able to detect it and easily be able to shoot him before he barely has a chance to turn and run at all.

It’s as though the members of the Governing Body are all in a state of checkmate with each other, and they must remain in-placing towing their party line, otherwise, if they dare to move out of line, they will be spiritually and socially “shot to death.”

Psychology certainly is a fascinating thing – just what really does make people “tick.”

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What's Your Opinion Of The Personalities Of The Governing Body?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i believe the gb has typically been an odd group of men.

this new batch, the faithful and discreet slave seem very impressed with themselves....like they are modern day apostles or something....or maybe it's just me..

SAHS

“eyeuse2badub”:

“Seems like when a generational 'changing of the guard' takes place within the WTBTS, the new GB guys get rid of the 'old-lite' teachings from their former GB predecessors as if to make the JW religion their own and create their own legacy.”

It’s kind of like whatever the current ruling political party is (e.g., democrat or republican in the USA; liberal or conservative here in Canada), they just have to tailor-make their own policies and interpretations of law to suit themselves as their own unique contribution, or “signature,” into the history books for people to remember them by. (Kind of like carving their own initials onto the old Watchtower glory tree. That’s their way of ‘making the truth their own.’)

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It's yime for an introduction

by HowTheBibleWasInvented in

jw
friends

i've been lurking a month or two and letting out a comment here and there.a few weeks ago someone asked if i had formally introduced myself.

i was born and raised a witness.

i always found meetings borning and family studies so bad.

SAHS

“HowTheBibleWasInvented”:

“I have not left Jehovah's Witnesses... My wife is still in and.... what can I do?...”

“I had never gootten in serious trouble. Ohthere was masterbation and alcohol.”

Well, here’s a good solution:

(1) Compose a very brief yet honest email divulging your true position in your heart about the real truth about the “truth” which you have discovered through your research and subsequent awakening – and be sure to include the links to your YouTube uploads. Save the email in your “Drafts” folder.

(2) Take your smart phone/tablet/laptop to a nice bar/pub and have a few nice, bubbly pints of beer until the alcohol “courage angels” warmly come upon you sufficiently (thereby kicking out those stupid “fear gremlins”).

(3) (This one is the best part.) Open your draft email, press the “Send” button, and viola! All done. . . . . See, it’s really as easy as “1, 2, 3.” Later, your head might physically feel a trifle foggy, but mentally and emotionally, well, you’ll feel like a million bucks! I say go for it. (Don’t forget: Number of lives we all have = only 1.)

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"Whether These Appear Sound From a Strategic or Human Standpoint or Not." - What do YOU think?

by jw07 in

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20131115/seven-shepherds-eight-dukes/.

paragraph 17.

"at that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from jehovahs organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint.

SAHS

“label licker”: “ They realise that pedophiles are costing them too much money.”

Maybe to control that problem they’ll come out with a line of children’s chastity belts to be worn whenever their parents drop them off at their local service group to work with a “mature” elder or pioneer on Saturday morning.

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NEW BIBLE

by The Searcher in

the following is part of an email from a retired district overseer in the states.

(source private).

"the new bible will be released at the agm and i understand only two versions will be printed from now on.

SAHS

“Sapphy”: “ I would bet that they haven't gone back and retranslated the Bible from the Hebrew & Greek, I reckon they've done English to English. This is probably just a reworking of the NWT from the awful strangled English in the current NWT to a slightly simpler version. ”

I’m sure you must be right in that they wouldn’t have bothered doing any re-translating or re-clarifying from the original Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic languages. It will just be a “reworked” (i.e., massaged) English-to-English version. The analogy I can think of is an old photocopy of a photocopy – of course, the more times you make a new generation photocopy (copy of a copy), the more it degenerates. The Governing Body should really advertise this as being, not a new generation copy, but a new degeneration copy! All they’re really doing just is compiling a synopsis, or simplified summary, of the degenerate work they already came up with and running with it, just to sort of “sound it down” more efficiently.

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I'm new here...

by Demokan in

jw
friends

i'm 15, and i'm an unbaptized publisher... so i've been what you call "lurking" here for the past few weeks and i have some questions.

i hear you guys constantly mentioning ttatt so where can i go to learn more about this (links please)?

also i've already told my mom that i don't believe in the governing body and she is making me do even more!

SAHS

Excellent job on Shyla’s video! She seems quite level-headed and has her wits about her. She should email some links to the video to applicable members of her congregation to bring them an objective perspective of clarity about the situation, and also to bring her a bit of final closure. (Might as well. I would.) The confident and resilient way she presented herself provides a good exhibit to any JWs of what their supposed definition of “mentally diseased” really looks like in reality. She looks quite normal and well-spoken if you ask me. Good job Shyla!

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"Whether These Appear Sound From a Strategic or Human Standpoint or Not." - What do YOU think?

by jw07 in

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20131115/seven-shepherds-eight-dukes/.

paragraph 17.

"at that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from jehovahs organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint.

SAHS

“Scenario 1: Sending out a letter stating that the end is so near that JWs need to physically isolate themselves from the world at once. Stop attending school, work, stop associating with any who are not Witnesses unless absolutely necessary.

Scenario 2: Decreeing that Witnesses physically isolate themselves from the 'world' by gathering and living in Kingdom Halls, Assembly Halls etc.

Scenario 3: Wearing a special card to publicly identify oneself as a Witness 24/7, the way they usually do only for conventions.

Who knows, maybe all 3 combined.”

Yeah, but maybe with standard uniforms too! Full-length white robes with thread dyed bluish-purple along the fringes, and turbans. Maybe big black burqas complete with black bee-keeper’s headdress for the women.

They could make a parallel of the Israelites trapped between the mountains and the Red Sea and the JWs (God’s one-and-only chosen people, don’t you know) trapped between the “ten horns” of this world and “God of Magog” (Satan) poised to enter into the New World. That way, they could dictate any ridiculous and just plain whacky thing they happen to come up with, insisting that the “Red Sea” will be parted for them, so to speak, at any moment. I.e., “Just do whatever we say, and we’ll make sure you’re all saved by a mysterious and clever miracle.”

Actually, the absolute best and appropriate thing for the Governing Body to do is to have a general meeting tied in by audio-video link worldwide and simply say, “We’re sorry. Sorry for everything – all the ridiculous dogmatic charlatanry, and of course all the unlucky victims of abuse and deaths from withholding blood,” and then say, “We all step down and quit. Bye now.” Now, that would really be the ultimate gold standard of what they SHOULD do.

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"My brain NEEDS a good washing!!!"

by bytheirworks in

have you ever heard a jw say, after someone calls them brain washed, that: "well, my brain needs a good washing???".

share your account & experiences.

SAHS

When the Governing Body says “Jump,” we say “How high?”

And when they say “we need a good brain washing,” we say “Yes sir! Make it clean as a whistle for Jehovah [droooool].”

106

NEW BIBLE

by The Searcher in

the following is part of an email from a retired district overseer in the states.

(source private).

"the new bible will be released at the agm and i understand only two versions will be printed from now on.

SAHS

Does that mean that the translation into Pidgin English will be even funnier? Will there be a Patois (Patwa or Patwah) tranlation also? Not THAT would be funny!

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Danger Witness Robinson! Danger!!!

by Marvin Shilmer in

jw
friends

danger witness robinson!

danger!!!

today i added a new article to my blog highlighting the danger of power consolidation along with an overt attempt to ready millions for obeying irrational direction from this power.

SAHS

“AndDontCallMeShirley”:

“‘must be ready to obey any instructions they receive, whether these instructions appear sound from a human standpoint or not.’”

“w79 5/15 p. 5 Is Your Trust in God . . . Or in a Man?

"AN APPALLING DEMONSTRATION"

There is no question that the Jonestown tragedy was a case of the blind leading the blind and both falling into a pit. (Matt. 15:14) The entire episode underscores the wisdom of Jesus’ command not to exalt men .”

Good catch, ADCMS! The quote from the July 15, 2013 Watchtower should definitely be presented to people in general along with the above quote from the May 15, 1979 issue – side by side – so people can see the situation objectively, which should cause the “danger light” in their head to start flashing.

Perhaps anyone unlucky enough to still be dragged out in the show-of-loyalty-to-the-organization (which they piously call “field service”) should take along some older copies or printouts of that 1979 Watchtower, with those particular points in that particular article highlighted in yellow for each householder (along with a yellow post-it note bookmarking where it’s located on page five therein if they have the actual original magazine). Both those Watchtower magazines should be offered together as a pair. Hopefully the householder would see the connection and know enough to simply throw them both in the garbage, and better still warn their family and friends. No need at all to feel bad about doing that, really – after all, it’s all supposedly from the same place, ain’t it?