“Magnum”: “Now I know that gb members just guess, and I feel that they sometimes just make up stuff to suit their purpose or agenda.”
Ding ding ding ding. Magnum gets the cigar on this one!
Posts by SAHS
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49JWs no longer taking the Governing Body seriously.
by kneehighmiah inthe recent letter being us to come to detroit shows that jws are beginning not to take the gb seriously anymore.
the buzz following the meeting was that the letter was unprecedented in its tone.
this coming from long time jws of 30 years plus.
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Bible is inspired of God??????
by Crazyguy inis there anything in the bible that makes you believe that some or all the writings in the bible are inspired from god?.
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SAHS
I do believe in a variation of the Bible being inspired of God – I believe that it was inspired but only by men, not God.
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Was There Anything A JW Said That Made You Raise Your Eyebrows?
by minimus inwe had an elderly pioneer/ms in our hall and he used to like to rattle the elders.
he liked using the "n" word in his comments.
he one time started to comment about the "ni##er pool" that he would observe among the poorer blacks.
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When they always say at a JW wedding that “the bride and groom have requested that there be no throwing of any rice or confetti,” it always bothers me because, for starters, it’s really dishonest because I’m sure no bride or groom actually passes on such a specific request – in reality it’s a standard announcement to be made at all JW weddings just because throwing rice or confetti would be considered to be one of the zillion things from “false religion” (I guess they don’t care about the wedding rings!) – and secondly, because it’s yet another example of how profoundly legalistic and petty the WTS is about everything.
It’s all the contrived and controlling rules about all the little things that get me, such as clinking glasses or proposing a toast being considered a kind of crime in JW land. And, of course, if you were to go outside the grounds during the noon break at a district convention to have lunch in a restaurant, or even if you were to just buy a hotdog from a vending stand that was on the convention grounds, you would be pretty well considered to have sinned against the holy spirit. (And don’t get me started about beards and birthdays.)
Actually, all that silly corporate totalitarian stuff does affect my eyebrows – but it makes them cross downwards, not raise up. The only thing it raises is my temperature under the collar!
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Jehovah Witness An Organization Of Shame.
by WhoYourDaddy ini don't have anything good to say about these people.. if you can get past all of the ambient abuse.. if you can get past all of the twisted lies and shameful history.. if you can get past all of the familes destroyed and children damaged from the blood and 2 witness policy.. if you can get past all of the real estate laundering and for profit lies; it is all about the money.. if you can get past all of the hypocricy and bitterness.. if you can get past all of the gb megalomaniacs.. if you can get past all those things.. i still can't find anything good to say about this shameful group of ignorant people.. shame on each and every one of you controlling liers.. shame on each and every one of you who aid and abet this continued ambient abuse and ridiculous fraud of an organization.. shame on you..
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When you compare the relatively quite small number of people killed by Jim Jones (People’s Temple), David Koresh (Branch Davidians), and Marshall Applewhite (Heaven’s Gate) with the thousands – THOUSANDS – of men, women, children, and babies killed (effectively murdered!) by the Watchtower’s unique and ridiculous blood policy, it becomes extremely obvious that the Jehovah’s Witness “religion” is just another quirky cult – but with much more blood on their hands!
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Shameless self-promotion...
by rory-ks ini was hoping that there would be some discreet corner of this forum where members could post about their own little ventures - but there is none, so i'll just go down the route of brash, shameless self-promotion.. after the leaking of the judicial committee videos, which had a (some word i can't think of just yet) effect on me, and in the spirit of jeni lundblomvaldez's article over at aawa.co, ex-jws: stop respecting the watchtowers wishes, i have decided to start my own blog, the carpenter's arms.
the reason for the name will become apparent.. there is not much going on there at the moment - the doors have only just been thrown open - but feel free to come over and say hello.. .
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Great site, Rory! I just posted a comment on “Carpenter’s Arms.”
Us XJWs and fading JWs need a safe and friendly place where we can just get together to compare battle scars and reaffirm that we are certainly not alone. All of us have been hurt in one way or another by the Watchtower corporation’s disingenuous and aggressive proselytizing machine. Such a safe and friendly retreat is like a welcome breath of fresh air. I wish you all the best. Let’s get the party started, so to speak.
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"No Ammonite or Moabite shall enter the assembly..." = Implications
by EdenOne inand they named him obed.
jesse was the father of david the king.
matthew 1:6, 7 - " and jesse the father of king david.
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“Bobcat”: “They and any other peoples could qualify as proselytes to Yahwism (cf. Exod. 12:38) though this did not give them automatic access to the worshiping assembly.”
This certainly begs the question as to the appropriateness of Jesus, evidently the Firstborn Son of God, being a descendent of a Moabite parent, with all that entails or implies as to the status of someone from such national stock.
In other words, since Ruth was clearly a Moabitess and as such would ‘not have automatic access to the worshiping assembly,’ would it really be appropriate for such person to be so elevated in the lineage of the Messiah, especially given Jehovah’s reputation for exacting a very high and pure standard of holiness and consistency with everything else, and all the more so regarding matters of spiritual integrity and ethnic exclusivity? Was not Jehovah known for being most particular in not accepting any animal for sacrifice or even any person for service with any notable defect, including a man with leprosy or a missing limb or whose testicles were crushed, etc.?
All things considered, I believe this is still something which should make anyone at least say, “Hmm.”
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My PERSONAL Complaint concerning Jehovah's Witnesses
by fulltimestudent ini was not much more than 16 when i became interested in the jws.
i was an idealistic, unrealistic (read, romantic) kid, concerned at the suffering of so many people as a result of ww2 and its aftermath.. i guess that made me an ideal target for the kingdom message.
but strangely the person who told me about the witnesses wasn't one.. where i worked, we often had quite deep discussions during morning tea breaks, and a non-witness kept bringing up the ideas of the witnesses.
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“Ding”: “There can't be any honorable way of leaving "the truth."”
There can’t be any honorable way of leaving a cult. (Just ask Steve Hassan.)
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100 YEARS OF YEAR TEXTS SINCE 1914
by OwnAccord inemail that's being sent around.
will yet praise thee more and more.- (ps.
1940 "my heart shall rejoice in the salvation."-(ps.
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“ 1974 "Although the fig tree itself may not blossom , . . . I will exult
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Jehovah himself."--Hab. 3:17, 18.”Well, isn’t that appropriate for 1974 – the year before 1975. I guess the “fig tree” of the JWs’ grand deliverance, indeed, did not get enough fertilizer, because it sure didn’t do any blossoming in 1975!
Also, isn’t it most interesting that there were absolutely no mentions of either “Jehovah” or “Jah” in those yeartexts before 1932! Notice that before 1932, they just used the words “Lord” and “God.” You would think that if the name “Jehovah” was so extremely important (it sure is now!), they would have used it in at least one yeartext between 1919 – the year that the WTS was supposedly selected by “Jehovah” though Jesus – and 1932. That’s a rather long time – well over a decade – that they just seemed to have forgotten the name which they now thump obsessively. (Hmmm.)
And, last but not least, notice that in that entire listing of yeartexts, the name “Jesus” only appears ONCE – in 1922! Wow! (Big red flag, for sure.)
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On a Scale of 1 to 10---How Devoted Were You To Being One of Jehovah's Witnesses?
by minimus inas i grew up in the religion, i was a 10. i wanted to be made a "servant" because that was instilled in me from infancy.
i diligently studied ever piece of watchtower literature and defended my religion intensely.. when i got into my 30's, i started to see little cracks in the watchtower's surface but decided to "wait on jehovah".
then i started to research a little more critically and realized i couldn't defend the prophecies, the treatment of people and the hypocrisy that was becoming more obvious, that especially an elder can see.. it was a gradual thing---from a 10 to a zero!.
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“LongHairGal”: “They might have family or business connections and can't afford to rock the boat. They are held hostage and I am sure they hate every minute of being in the religion!”
Take it from me, you ain’t whistling Dixie!
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On a Scale of 1 to 10---How Devoted Were You To Being One of Jehovah's Witnesses?
by minimus inas i grew up in the religion, i was a 10. i wanted to be made a "servant" because that was instilled in me from infancy.
i diligently studied ever piece of watchtower literature and defended my religion intensely.. when i got into my 30's, i started to see little cracks in the watchtower's surface but decided to "wait on jehovah".
then i started to research a little more critically and realized i couldn't defend the prophecies, the treatment of people and the hypocrisy that was becoming more obvious, that especially an elder can see.. it was a gradual thing---from a 10 to a zero!.
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0 to 10 yrs. old: 10/10 (born-in, that’s all I knew)
10 to 13 yrs. old: 9/10 (beginning doubt of surviving Armageddon)
13 to 16 yrs. old: 7/10 (increasing double-life: smoking, swearing at school, bizarre sexual fantasies, etc.; greatly increased fear of dying at Armageddon)
16 to 33 yrs. old: 5/10 (" " " " " " " " " " " " ")
33 to 47 yrs. old: 0/10 (discovered this site & TTATT; not really any more fear of dying at Armageddon; currently atheist with some agnosticism: somewhat open-minded but within a very scientific context)