Well, “minimus,” with this 100-year anniversary of the supposed “kingdom rule” (quite a kingdom!), many JWs will be on a little bit of a high, largely thanks to the current WTS propaganda, but as this current centenarian milestone passes, the “reset” button will be pressed in the minds of most of the folks, only to await the next little “motivation” which happens to come along down the corporate pike.
Posts by SAHS
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28What's The Basic Vibe of Jehovah's Witnesses These Days?
by minimus indo you think they are zealous?.
happy, joyful?.
pessimistic, depressed?.
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The "Preaching" Work As A Dead Parrot
by metatron inhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/dead_parrot_sketch.
inspired by a car salesman.
as with john cleese's apoplectic performance, there is never any admission that the "preaching" work, door to door in particular, is dead and has been for some time.
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“BucketShopBill”: “Will they start using Nigerian Prince Scams to collect more money?”
Actually, in a manner of speaking, they have already done that: Brother Federick W Franz, at a convention in New York, in 1950, referring to the “great multitude,” the “sheep” of Matthew chapter 25, and the “Jonadab class” of 2 Kings chapter 10, asked the audience: “Would this international assembly be interested to know that HERE, TONIGHT, in our midst, there are a number of prospective PRINCES OF THE NEW EARTH?”
And so, the scam continues – good-boy, butt-kissing elders apparently have the prospect of becoming, not just elders, but princes in the panda-petting new world™.
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hello everyone
by purrpurr ini've been browsing the site for some time as things that the society teach just are not adding up much these days.
by exploring some of the threads on here i'm starting to see why.
a brief bio.
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“purrpurr”: “. . . yet again it just seems like the GB are just trying to explain why the new system isn't here yet. . . . the society says that its good that it hasn't come yet because more people have had the chance to come into the truth. . . .”
I think that the post by “Magnum” (on page one of this thread) answers that pretty well: “In fact, since more people are being born today than they were a few decades ago, there will actually be MORE who don't get a chance than there would have been then.”
“disposable hero of hypocrisy”: “I've had lots of tiny doubts for decades ( trumpet blasts = ohio convention, flip floppery about sodom and gomorrah, dodgy explanations of 'generations, really? ) but I've come to the point of not believing any of it now. But I'm still in. Got good friends and family, at the moment the cost of keeping them is keeping my mouth shut and attending some meetings, while doing a very token ministry. Fair price at the moment for me(other reasons apply too).”
That sure sounds like my own current situation exactly!
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What's the harm in believing in falsehoods?
by rebel8 insome people wonder if others' beliefs should not be challenged--just leave them alone--do not be a "voice of reason".. what's the harm of belief?what's the harm of not thinking critically?
here are 365,632 people who were harmed by someone not thinking critically.what's the harm of believing in medicine that doesn't work?
368,379 people killed, 306,096 injured and over $2,815,931,000 in economic damages what's the harm in not being vaccinated?
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“What's the harm in believing in falsehoods?”
Not really anything – as long as you can tell the difference!
Example:
• Mickey Mouse, Daffy Duck, the Smurfs, unicorns, leprechauns, etc.: FALSEHOODS – But doesn’t matter because we all know it’s just “fantasy” (except young kids).
• Jehovah’s Witnesses/Watchtower, Mormons, Scientologists, Moonies, Branch Dividians, Heaven’s Gate, etc.: FALSEHOODS – But disturbing, because some folks are actually brainwashed and ensnared by them! (Not to mention many lives, including babies, lost.)
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Poignant Statistics Summary for Comment at This Sunday WT Study! (Aug. 3, 2014)
by SAHS inthe watchtower study to be considered this sunday, august 3, 2014 (using the magazine dated may 15, 2014), titled are you moving ahead with jehovahs organization?, in paragraph seven (on pages 27-28), talks about the number of people baptized in recent years:.
7 where do those making up the great crowd come from?
they are being brought together because of what jesus foretold as part of the sign of his presence.
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“jwfacts”: “They want to believe, so look for the positives. They assume whatever it was you said must be positive, because no one ever is brave enough to express otherwise.”
“Listener”: “. . . they just provide the number of publishers at any given time, which includes people who are unbaptized. This would suggest that they are not really interested in acknowledging the number of people who have dedicated their lives to God but they are interested in knowing the numbers of those people that are working for their organization.”
Very astute and insightful comments, guys! It only goes to show the organization’s true motives, and that its membership wants to believe in it at all costs.
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More dumb JW logic
by Batman89 inwitnesses always say when a person comes into the "truth"(deception) it was because jehovah saw they had the right "heart condition".
so they're basically saying that only 7 million people on earth which is way less than 1% of the population have good hearts and are good people.
and everyone else is just evil?
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“Batman89”: “Witnesses always say when a person comes into the "truth" (deception) it was because Jehovah saw they had the right "heart condition" so they're basically saying that only 7 million people on earth which is way less than 1% of the population have good hearts and are good people and everyone else is just evil?”
I was just thinking: What about all the people whom God apparently drew into “the truth,” say, back in Rutherford’s time, when everything then is now basically considered to all be just old light (i.e., false, and even apostate, compared against the apparent God-inspired/spirit-directed “new light” of today). Now, could you say that those old people really, in fact, had the “right heart condition” since what God would have drawn them to at the time is now considered just falsehood (“old light”) – or, did they, in fact, have the “right heart condition” but back then God knowingly drew them to something which was actually not “the truth”?
You would think that the Almighty and All-wise Jehovah God would draw a person into “the truth” because they had the “right heart condition” when that “truth” would, in fact, actually be TRUTH – otherwise, God would be knowingly drawing people into something that clearly was, and is, not actually truth!
So, when you think of it, either God draws people with the “right heart condition” into falsehood (which now becomes “old light”), or, perhaps those who were drawn as such by God into falsehood really did not have the “right heart condition,” OR, maybe those people, regardless of their “heart condition,” actually never were drawn at all by God at that time – because, after all, why would God, if He’s supposed to be so damn smart, draw anybody to such nonsensical and ridiculous untrue garbage as was promulgated by the WTS for so long! . . . . Especially after the WTS was supposedly the one-and-only earthly organization specifically and formally chosen by Jehovah God and Jesus Christ by 1919!
Try wrapping your heads around that, folks.
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The epitome of cognitive dissonance
by sir82 init is rare to get such a startling, sparkling, perfect example of this.. here is a snippet of a conversion going on at jwtalk.net regarding israel/gaza:.
http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/16268-peace-security-news/.
every one who is in the world today and dies tomorrow is in line for a ressurection.this is their best way of being in the new world.
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“Apognophos”: “What wrong could they do in that extra day before Armageddon that would deny them a second chance?”
It sounds to me like some sick cosmic version of that party game “musical chairs.” In other words, you gotta get your ass onto a chair in the Kingdom Hall before the Big‑A strikes or you’re left out and Gehenna-bound. Rather ridiculous when you think about it.
“prologos”: “Is it enough to click on jw.org to resurrect if you die?”
I can just see the title of the next Watchtower magazine: “JW.ORG – THE CLICK THAT COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE!”
“blondie”: “Poison (have a big family dinner with something special).”
I think all the current GB members should definitely be invited to that special dinner!
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WTS one step closer to "1984" - JW literature rewritten in online versions
by sir82 inlikely everyone here is familar with the novel "1984" - "he who controls the past, controls the future.
he who controls the present, controls the past".. take a look at wol.jw.org, insight book, topic "faithful and discreet slave".. current online wording: http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200001485.
jesus trained the apostles for the role they would have after pentecost 33 c.e.
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To “Oubliette”:
Whoopsy-daisy! Looks like the WTS forgot to “sanitize” their old cross-and-crown logo from the banner along the bottom of the stage front. (As we all know, that logo had originally been featured on the cover of the Watchtower magazine for years.)
Wait . . . they also forgot to “sanitize” their “I.B.S.A.” letters from that same banner. I guess their Photoshop person was asleep for that one.
Come to think of it, is there really anything from that famous 1922 Cedar Point convention, either spoken from the platform, displayed on the banners, or printed in the publications released, which has not had to be “sanitized” (i.e., deleted/updated) due to being, . . . cough . . . ahem . . . old light? (Such old light, of course, now being deemed new apostasy.)
I think that for that photograph to be currently valid in a complete sense, it would have to be replaced with just a test pattern – because there is always going to be like a special closing sale on all that old light – that’s right, folks; everything must go!
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Poignant Statistics Summary for Comment at This Sunday WT Study! (Aug. 3, 2014)
by SAHS inthe watchtower study to be considered this sunday, august 3, 2014 (using the magazine dated may 15, 2014), titled are you moving ahead with jehovahs organization?, in paragraph seven (on pages 27-28), talks about the number of people baptized in recent years:.
7 where do those making up the great crowd come from?
they are being brought together because of what jesus foretold as part of the sign of his presence.
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UPDATE: I MADE MY COMMENT THIS MORNING.
(Our congregation recently voted to actually try switching the Public Talk and Watchtower Study meeting to Saturday instead of Sunday, apparently to facilitate better success in the field ministry on Sunday morning rather than Saturday.)
In my comment, I included all the statistics in my original post herein, plus the additional information kindly provided by “jwfacts” near the top of this page. And after the meeting, the few people I talked to actually just congratulated me on my in-depth statistical research – but nobody connected the dots with anything! I couldn’t believe it. I just publically summarized the fact that the actual “increase” is only 50.04% of the number baptized, and that the number baptized who stop publishing (baptism minus increase) was about 80,000 per year from 1981 to 2013, etc. – and people were still just, “Praise Jehovah”! I don’t get it. I mentioned every detail in my comment, and they just ate it up and didn’t seem to skip a beat at all. I think if I would have said that the Kingdom Hall was on fire, they would still have just been all, “Wonderful! Praise Jehovah.”
It seems that people just will not connect the dots in there. I keep looking for an AC power cord coming out of their bodies, because I think the people are all manufactured by Walt Disney or something. (You know, those audio-animatronic show robots.)
Anyway, my JW mom just told me regarding the people who stop publishing that it shows Satan is trying to turn people away. I gave her the little summary I composed and printed on my color laser printer after the meeting to see for herself. I haven’t spoken to my longtime, well-known elder dad yet today since the meeting. (He actually did the reading of the paragraphs during the Watchtower Study.) I hope that he will at least connect the dots, even if just in his own mind. Not really much hope, though. You know: God’s specially-selected organization, light gets brighter, who else is preaching the good news of the kingdom, where else would we go to get the truth, blah, blah, blah. Like talking to a dead chimpanzee, really. Oh well. At least I still have a good, and ultimately-economical, place to stay right now, even if it is under their roof. What can you do.
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Poignant Statistics Summary for Comment at This Sunday WT Study! (Aug. 3, 2014)
by SAHS inthe watchtower study to be considered this sunday, august 3, 2014 (using the magazine dated may 15, 2014), titled are you moving ahead with jehovahs organization?, in paragraph seven (on pages 27-28), talks about the number of people baptized in recent years:.
7 where do those making up the great crowd come from?
they are being brought together because of what jesus foretold as part of the sign of his presence.
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“factfinder”: “. . . the baptism figure can't be added to the previous publisher figure. . . . you could not ADD that years baptisms to the publisher figure because those getting baptized were already included in the publisher figure. Otherwise you are counting baptized publishers twice.”
“AndDontCallMeShirley”: “You are correct. WT does count the same person twice.”
That’s an interesting point, guys! (It all gets rather confusing, and I’m certainly not very good in the math department – I think I’m more right-brained than left-brained, thus better at linguistic creativity than numerical problem-solving.)
Anyway, as I am guessing, the issue here is the distinction between newly baptized versus new or old publishers. And as you pointed out, “factfinder,” often prospective full-fledged members (baptized publishers) first began reporting their time as “unbaptized publishers” before they were added to the actual baptized membership roll (i.e., increase in baptized publishers) – therein the double counting.
Others, though, perhaps may have wished to wait until their baptism before starting to report time, in which case their increase as a baptism and as a new publisher would be under one and the same single count, although this may be the exception.