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  107 years of “Advertising the Kingdom” from Brooklyn, NY, what is it New Yorkers will remember about JWs after their move in 2016?

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  https://www.bisnow.com/new-york/news/commercial-real-estate/10-biggest-nyc-real-estate-stories-2016-69239.

  december 23, 2016. the 10 biggest nyc real estate stories of 2016.

  wikimedia: jud mccranie .

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  SAHS

  Joseph Franklin Rutherford was basically just as whacky as Charles Taze Russell, but one thing he certainly did have going for him was a bold entrepreneurial sense which gave him the foresight to turn Russell’s little cult, the International Bible Students Association, into a thriving new religious sect. Rutherford had the ability to manipulate and play people so as to acquire a diligent, driven volunteer workforce to serve his needs from the bottom up while he projected his clenched-fisted leadership from the top down.

  In that respect, Rutherford was pretty much on par with Donald Trump – persevere and win at any and all costs. Rutherford’s tangible legacy carried through time his own unique brand of organized religion, replete with various anomalous and disingenuous twists and turns reminiscent of his bearded predecessor, but one thing he accomplished well: He put the Watchtower corporation on the map and changed an integral portion of the skyline in Brooklyn, New York.

  And in terms of stalwart ambition and old-school stubbornness, I’m sure he could have taught Donald Trump a thing or two.
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  Elder wants to stop by with the CO for a visit .

  by NikL in

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  so i got a text from an elder who i consider one of the good guys and a friend in his own way.. he asked if he could bring the co by for a visit.

  he said it would be "just a pleasant call and visit and will hopefully encourage my wife".

  he says that "he knows she is dealing with a ton of pressure".. in all my years around the organization, i never had a visit from the circuit overseer.

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  NikL, if the CO – or any elder, for that matter – ever asks you if you believe that the WT faithful and discreet slave is God’s sole representative on earth, then I would simply refer them to Geoffrey Jackson’s response to that very question posed by the Australian Royal Commission (ARC), as to whether those of the governing body are “inspired” of God. Geoffrey Jackson was quoted as replying: “That I think would seem to be quite presumptuous to say that we are the only spokesperson that God is using.”

  Indeed, I would allow our fine Mr. Jackson to hang himself – that is, to reply for himself. And if you still keep getting some flak about it, then I would just keep playing that same except from the ARC until the point is duly received. Yes, let that precious little gem of a sound byte do its job.

  
  
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  Indoctrination or Education? Grooming Minds

  by Tech49 in

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  dear friends,.

  i came across this video a while back.

  after thinking about it for some time, i wanted to share.

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  SAHS

  Excellent rational, logical video presentation! It should be seen by every parent and every child. It is most empowering and freeing to be able to step out of the box of religious status quo and view the forest landscape from afar. Bravo!
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  one day convention

  by zeb in

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  well my wife is off to a one day convention and will doubtless return home cranky and tired.

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  “Alostpuppydog”: “These one day convention make as much sense as pouring coffee in my ear.”

  LOL!!
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  Watchtower Study Article: "You Fit Enjoy Your Marriage!"

  by Wild_Thing in

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  so, the watchtower study article, "making christian marriage a success" can best be enjoyed when reading it in the language of nigerian pidgin.

  ) e good make love dey make the two of dem think about how the other person dey feel and wetin e need.

  3:7) e no good make dem force each other but make their body first move dem to do am.

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  Why does this topic make me feel like jerk or Cajun chicken?
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  Front cover of the 2017 Watchtower - unbelievable!

  by freddo in

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  study edition.

  january 2017.

  (can someone put up a link please?).

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  “sparrowdown”: “The next magazine will show a sister witnessing in a skirt on MT Everest and the one after that under the sea in diving gear and skirt -of course!”

  LOL!!!
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  Front cover of the 2017 Watchtower - unbelievable!

  by freddo in

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  study edition.

  january 2017.

  (can someone put up a link please?).

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  “baker”: “At least the magazines can come to some good use, when nature calls...”

  LOL!!!
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  Oops, I did it again! Flag placed in the KH: Chile 2016

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  my friends,.

  what has become now a yearly tradition for me: getting the videos/photos of the flag in chile for their national holidays.. this is the 2016 version, i believe the clearest example yet:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b94j3lmqx_w&feature=youtu.be.

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  “joe134cd”: “(1) An ultra dub pioneer sister at first was unaware of it and denied it. When I pushed the issue a little further, and showed her proof she then blocked me.”

  Isn’t that so typical of JWs that whenever you try to show them the concrete proof of such things, they immediately just shut down (usually after spewing the famous line about ‘the light getting brighter’).
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  Call for Judicial Hearing by signed letter

  by sp74bb in

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  i'm quite surprised about the new approach of some local congregation brothers respect about my fade.... funny, ilegal and very dangerous in view of the different laws regarding personal data and minorities in spain and in the eu.... i already organized a press meeting with main newspapers in spain.

  many has shown interest in this situation.

  the fact of that a parallel judicial system do exist is amazing them.

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  “Hecce”: “. . . but the elders are not following procedure by inviting him to a JC without going thru the previous step of the conversation with two elders.”

  “cofty”: “There is no judicial unless there is a confession or two witnesses.”

  Those are both certainly valid points, which should be acknowledged. In fact, at least according to the details provided by the original poster (Mr. López / “sp74bb”), the standard procedure of the Watch Tower organization for initiating a judicial proceeding and forming a committee seems to have not been followed by this evidently errant local body of elders.

  This consideration of the validity of the manner in which the judicial process was initiated is a separate issue from the propriety of sending a request to attend (like an amateur “summons”) in the mail, as well as the part in the letter asking whether Mr. López wishes to basically disassociate himself from being one of Jehovah’s Winesses, which is also contrary to the direction in the elders’ Shepherd the Flock manual.

  If the legitimately-established protocols from Watch Tower had been followed before the elders’ letter was sent, then that letter would have been fine – except, of course, for the part asking if Mr. López wished to disassociate at that time. But, as it is, the timing of such a letter advising of a specific date for a judicial trial was inappropriate due to the lack of the steps required beforehand, as noted by “Hecce” and “cofty” above.
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  Call for Judicial Hearing by signed letter

  by sp74bb in

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  i'm quite surprised about the new approach of some local congregation brothers respect about my fade.... funny, ilegal and very dangerous in view of the different laws regarding personal data and minorities in spain and in the eu.... i already organized a press meeting with main newspapers in spain.

  many has shown interest in this situation.

  the fact of that a parallel judicial system do exist is amazing them.

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  SAHS

  I don’t see anything illegal or wrong in itself with the letter from the congregation elders in the original post. The letter stated: “We tried to call you several ways but we were unable.” So, to me it appears that, in all fairness, the elders were just trying to do what they thought was their due diligence in informing Mr. López in writing of the letter they received from someone making an accusation, and formally requesting him to attend a judicial meeting to hopefully ascertain and clarify the facts of the matter to come to some kind of resolution. The purpose of the letter from the elders was to just to confirm whether or not Mr. López would be attending the proposed judicial meeting, and to provide the opportunity for him to let them know in writing whether or not he still wishes to be considered a member of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

  That’s really all the elders were trying to do by sending the letter. There was no mention of any kind of threat or judgment. The letter was simply to confirm whether or not Mr. López was going to attend the judicial meeting and to ask if he still wants to be a Jehovah’s Witness. They just wanted to confirm the situation and where things stand so they can tie up the loose ends in their written records.

  Now, the nature and disposition of any actual judicial meetings with the elder committee would be a different matter completely. Don’t get me wrong – I don’t believe it’s proper, fair, or even legal in any general, “natural” law sense the way these kangaroo court judicial meetings are run, which tend to be very authoritarian, arbitrary, and high-handed. That part, if it should come to that, deserves some outside scrutiny, as well as media involvement, to be sure.

  But as for the elders’ letter itself in the original post, I think it was basically just requesting clarification of the status of Mr. López’s attendance at the meeting. While the elders, as well as the Watch Tower corporation, would certainly have some sort of accountability in their actions at any judicial hearing, it’s nevertheless only fair and reasonable for the elders to at least be able to know whether or not to expect him to attend.