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  Just quit quietly - the law is on your side!

  by Ajax in

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  freedon of religion guarantees any individual the legal right to abandon any religion at any time for any reason.. if you are a citizen of a country which champions human rights, then your government doesn t care what religion you join, but they will uphold your freedom to join it, without interference, coercion or persecution.

  your countries human rights legislation will conversely uphold your rights when it comes time to abandon any religion you so choose.

  those (elders) who incite others interfere, coerce or persecute those who have left will be in transgression of the human rights statutes.. a person is only obligated to ecclesiastic law if he exposes himself to it or transgressed it while still a member of a religious community.. when your time comes to abandon the jw-wt cult, do it while still in good standing, be proactive - be decisive -put it in writing!..and do it before the hounders set sights on you.. write a card or letter with as much or as little explanation as you one day might wish to share with pharisees and lawyers.. take this card to a notary public to have your signature witnessed and have the writing overstamped in several places with the date.

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  “oppostate”: “This will prevent their announcing anything about your not being a JW anymore, all you've done is leave that congregation and that's not a DF'ing offense.”

  If that is all a person is seeking to accomplish – simply leaving or withdrawing from a particular congregation – then there is nothing else he or she needs to do but simply leave that congregation. There would be no necessity for any type of legal letter if that’s all that’s involved – leaving a particular congregation.

  The only situation requiring a legal letter would be if someone wanted to formally leave the Jehovah’s Witness religion itself and no longer wished to be identified as a Jehovah’s Witness. But of course the tricky part is submitting a written disassociation while still expecting to get out of actually being disfellowshipped and having the standard “so-and-so is no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses” announcement made at the next mid-week meeting. Unfortunately, I think it looks like that would be a rather impossible outcome to avoid.

  The only way someone can have their cake and eat it too by effectively leaving the Jehovah’s Witness religion and not being formally disfellowshipped is to just do the fade thing while simply telling anyone who tries to interrogate them that they don’t wish to discuss anything whatsoever. And if someone were to do just that – fade away while refusing to discuss anything – and they still got disfellowshipped in absentia, then they would probably have somewhat of a fairly good case for a lawsuit for basic breach of contract under “natural law.”
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  Just quit quietly - the law is on your side!

  by Ajax in

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  freedon of religion guarantees any individual the legal right to abandon any religion at any time for any reason.. if you are a citizen of a country which champions human rights, then your government doesn t care what religion you join, but they will uphold your freedom to join it, without interference, coercion or persecution.

  your countries human rights legislation will conversely uphold your rights when it comes time to abandon any religion you so choose.

  those (elders) who incite others interfere, coerce or persecute those who have left will be in transgression of the human rights statutes.. a person is only obligated to ecclesiastic law if he exposes himself to it or transgressed it while still a member of a religious community.. when your time comes to abandon the jw-wt cult, do it while still in good standing, be proactive - be decisive -put it in writing!..and do it before the hounders set sights on you.. write a card or letter with as much or as little explanation as you one day might wish to share with pharisees and lawyers.. take this card to a notary public to have your signature witnessed and have the writing overstamped in several places with the date.

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  I like the idea of a preemptive written disassociation. It would be advantageous and prudent to draft a simple document notifying that you no longer agree with or follow the teachings and directives of the Watchtower corporation and as such no longer wish to be known as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. The document should be duly executed by a lawyer or notary public, properly witnessed and dated. The document should also include Article 18 of The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, by the United Nations:

  “Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.”

  That paragraph should include a direct reference to the United Nations’ Web page from which that quote is taken: http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/.

  Whether or not that Article in the UN Declaration is in any way legally enforceable, the important thing is that it be included word-for-word anyway as a tangible and poignant reminder that any coercion or blackmail initiated by the Watchtower or its representatives is in direct contravention of the basic standards of human rights of the UN.

  You would think since the Watchtower wanted to be an actual NGO member of the UN for all that time that they could at least attempt to follow the UN’s basic tenets! This just further illuminates the profound hypocrisy and duplicity of the Watchtower.
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  Great parody of the "lets go out in service" Sofia and Caleb video!

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=naitj9inc5q.

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  this is a funny parody of the now famous "lets go out in service" video for kids on jw.org.... enjoy!.

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  Wouldn’t it be funny if someone actually hacked the JW.org Web site and somehow replaced the real Caleb and Sophia videos in the children’s section with those three episodes of “Jehovah Boy” by “roguepixel100” on YouTube? Now that would be funny! I wonder how long it would be until one of the over-starched white shirt and tie wearing dubs at the headquarters would discover that something was wrong?
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  Will the Image Meaning Change?

  by Theredeemer in

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  http://finance.yahoo.com/news/official-america-now-no-2-150936444.html.

  how will the dubs spin this?.

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  Brett Arends, MarketWatch article on Yahoo! Finance: “This latest economic earthquake follows the development last year when China surpassed the U.S. for the first time in terms of global trade. . . . Make no mistake: This is a geopolitical earthquake with a high reading on the Richter scale.”

  Maybe the GB will spin this with another of their references to the symbolic “earthquakes” in the book of Revelation relating to political upheaval, like they have already done in their Revelation Climax book. Maybe they need yet another version of that Revelation Climax book to be up-to-date with no doubt more of their conniving interpretations and speculations in this 21st century.
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  the Wt Study last Weekend

  by thedog1 in

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  i wasn't at the study at the weekend, the reason was family health problems, but even if that had not been the case i wouldn't have been there.

  has anybody else who was there or read the article noticed the unbelievable begging bowl being produced for the pioneers and cos and bethelites, etc?

  maybe this has been commented on already but in effect witnesses are being asked to financially support, not only pioneers, but circuit overseers if they need medical help, and to fill in with dealing with aged parents if missionaries are abroad.

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  “Oubliette”: “‘Those who enter the full-time ministry do so, not to gain financially, but to give – to Jehovah and to others.’ – w2014, 9/15, p. 32, para. 21” “So why don't the GB members "give" the money they control to others?”

  That’s because the GB consider themselves to be the “others” (i.e., they want people to give to Jehovah and to themselves). And since in reality the GB and Jehovah are one and the same (yes, folks, it’s really, in effect, a psychological thriller with a twist), all the money just goes to the empire of the oh so great and wonderful GB. (Sarcasm indeed.)
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  CAN WE SOLVE THE MYSTERY of why Watchtower doctrines changed when they changed?

  by Terry in

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  if a person gives a police report of a traumatic event, but later changes their facts during cross-examination, these changes are used to impeach the honesty of the witness.. this impeachment flows from a logical understanding facts must match reality without contradiction.. lets examine the history of the watchtower corporations leaders with a view to the harmony of.

  true teaching over a period of years from 1879-1942.. "even though christmas is not the real anniversary of our lord's birth, but more properly the annunciation day or the date of his human begetting (luke 1:28), nevertheless, since the celebration of our lord's birth is not a matter of divine appointment or injunction, but merely a tribute of respect to him, it is not necessary for us to quibble particularly about the date.

  we may as well join with the civilized world in celebrating the grand event on the day which the majority celebrate - "christmas day.

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  It would seem that those later changes toward banning Christmas and birthdays, dogmatically insisting on a stake/pole as opposed to the standard cross (which was, in fact, used in Rome at the time), as well as the ban on transfusing whole blood or the four major components thereof, including autologous transfusion (can’t store your own blood to transfuse back into yourself because it would be “stored,” but blood tests are allowed) – all those and many other changes weren’t so much to do with any supposed scriptural validity but, rather, as a mechanism to foster a black-and-white, “us-verses-them” view pertaining to the “world” in general. And that, of course, is quite an instrumental means used by the WTS in securing control over its ignorant and bewildered membership.
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  JW's and Ambient Abuse

  by Jehovanomics in

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  ambient abuse is the stealth, subtle, underground currents of maltreatment that sometimes go unnoticed even by the victims themselves, until it is too late.

  ambient abuse penetrates and permeates everything but is difficult to pinpoint and identify.

  it is ambiguous, atmospheric, diffuse.

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  “Jehovanomics”: “Her membership in the abuser's "kingdom" is cast as a privilege and a prize.”

  That sure sounds familiar! The WTS keeps always saying what an inestimable “privilege” it is to serve God them.
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  What Is The Ideal Discussion Board For You?

  by minimus in

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  i think these boards are great!

  it gives us the opportunity to express our feelings, our viewpoints, our concerns, etc.

  when we were jws we could not freely do any of that.

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  “Terry,” you beat me to it! My sentiments exactly: “THIS ONE.” This is the one and only discussion board I got into about eleven years ago when I really began questioning the JW religion, and I found it most informative and eye-opening. I came across a link somewhere on this site to a detailed chronological synopsis of the ever-changing doctrines and policies of the WTS called “Spiritual Food At the Proper Time” on the “http://www.freeminds.org” site, which really did if for me. But it was this particular site – “http://www.jehovahs-witness.net” – which began my journey to discover TTATT. This site seems to be the best one out there for in-depth inside information, insightful analysis, and a massive support community.

  “Simon”: “The limit is now about 4 billion [posts] so we should be good way into the new system and beyond.”

  LOL!
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  I hate religion

  by Heartofaboy in

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  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2852739/nepal-devotees-sacrifice-thousands-animals-hindu-ritual.html.

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  “NAVYTOWN”: “ I say sacrifice HUMANS and leave the poor animals alone. ”

  Actually, that is pricisely what the WTS has been doing ever since that disgusting and perverse blood transfusion policy they made up. All told, there were many thousands and thousands of men, women, and helpless CHILDREN who have ended up being sacrificed to that other mythological narcissist, Yahweh/Jehovah! They may not have been slaughtered by knives, but in the end, death is still death. As we’ve seen from the JWs, ignorance abounds, apparently even among the supposedly intelligent and civilized.
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  A picture of a WT dream

  by Sour Grapes in

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  people stay jehovah's witnesses for several reasons.

  the foremost is because they are taught that they could cheat death and not have to die or even better yet not have to get old.

  the second is they can see their dead relatives again , who have a direct pass to paradise, and that we must obey to get there to see them in the resurrection.

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  “galaxie”: “ Not subliminal but just a cloud face ? ”

  Depends how much pot you smoke.